All of Inyuki's Comments + Replies

Inyuki-10

Such subliminal summanipulation is pretty natural for a probablist. Thinking of cumulative effects of all inputs that an individual we care of is exposed to comes natural to lovers, parents, and big brothers, however, only more resourced can reliably afford to produce the inputs and carry it out such attacks, rather than just observe and care about these cumulative effects.

2TsviBT
I think close companions can sometimes see sum-threshold attacks that the target can't see, but some attacks go unnoticed by anyone for a long while. I think poorly-resourced agents can carry out these attacks.
Inyuki10

Well, my main point was, that error can be of arbitrary type, one may be of the modeling of what is ("Map"), another of modeling what we want to be ("Territory"), and one can think of infinite number of various types of "errors", - logical, ethical, pragmatic, moral, ecological, cultural, situational, .. the list goes on and on. And, if each type of error we think of "suboptimality", then "less err" or "less wrong" would be etymologically equivalent to "optimize". So, we're a commun... (read more)

Inyuki20

New terminology only makes sense when phenomena they describe have new qualities on top of the basic phenomena. Every process is an optimizer, because anything that changes states, optimizes towards something (say, new state). Thus, "maximizer," "intelligent agent" etc. may be said to be redundant.

Inyuki10
I feel a bit confused reading this. The notion of an expected utility maximiser is standard in game theory and economics. Or maybe you find the concept unsatisfactory in some other way?

The latter. Optimization is more general than expected utility maximization. By applying expected utility theory, one is trying to minimize the expected distance to a set of conditions (goal), rather than distance to a set of conditions (state) in abstract general sense.

The original post (OP) is about refactoring the knowledge tree in order to make the discussions less biase... (read more)

2habryka
Are you the same person as the author of the top-level post? (You seem to have a different username)
Inyuki00

Yes, I do understand the phrase 'defining a process' so broadly as to not suggest temporality. Just like defining an order for a set in mathematics doesn't require the concept of time.

Indeed, just because we can show an example of how an illusion of time could be constructed in a system without time, would not seem to imply that our world is also such system.

So, yes, it doesn't makes sense, as long as you don't show that our perceived world is derived from a system with same properties. ( I'm referring to something like this: https://groups.google.com/d/ms... (read more)

0gjm
If you understand "defining a process" so broadly as to not suggest temporality ... then in what sense does your system "appear to have time"? It is hard to see how any argument or evidence could possibly show that our perceived world is derived from (say) a universal Turing machine carrying out every possible computation. (Even if it's true.)
3gjm
By reading what you wrote and seeing that the argument you're making makes no sense. Specifically: * I see no sense in which your thought experiment "has no time" but "appear[s] to have time". * No, constructing the rationals from the natural numbers doesn't require "defining a process", unless you understand that phrase so broadly that "defining a process" doesn't in the least suggest temporality. * Even if you had in fact described a thought experiment in which something appears to involve time but doesn't really, that obviously doesn't imply that time is an illusion. * I can describe a thought experiment in which something appears to involve sausages but doesn't really; does that mean sausages are an illusion?
Inyuki-20

I made a thought experiment with a system that has no time, making it appear to have time. Take the sequence of natural numbers. It doesn't change, but it implies the existence of all positive rationals. This implication is instantaneous, but generating them requires defining a process. There is an eternity in an instance.

1gjm
This does not, in fact, show that time is an illusion.
Inyuki-20

We know that time is an illusion. Is "illusion" not the same as "simulation"?

0entirelyuseless
How did you find out that time is an illusion?
Inyuki-10

Is inability to travel back in time - evidence that we're a simulation? Btw., wording "simulation in which we live" would imply that we're somehow separate from the simulation. It could well be that we ourselves do not exist without the simulation, and are merely the properties of simulation, - simulated beings.

1turchin
No, it is not such evidence, but if any strong precognition will be proved to exist it would be evidence for simulation. And yes, we may be a property of the simulation or may be just brains in a vat which observe a simulation - its two different types of simulations.
Inyuki-20

Great. I didn't read the book yet, but where I think we fail the most, is underestimating the investment into new technologies. It is often through new technologies that we can solve a problem at large, and often, to develop these new technologies may require much less than buying the existing technology solutions in bulk,... if we could be just a little more creative in our altruism. So, I would like to propose another term: Effectively Creative Altruism (ECA).

ECA would rely thinking how to solve a problem once and for all, and not in some isolated case. ... (read more)

Inyuki00

It is sufficient to define your self precisely and concisely, and preserve that definition.

0turchin
Identity is evolving with age. It is only DNA for a newborn. But rational mind and especially AI is responsible for his identity and could control it. An AI could declare that any other AI with the same set of goal is him.
Inyuki00
  1. Domain name is not primary marketing channel.
  2. Our preferred target audience will understand.
  3. Domain name reflects our philosophy. It aims to emphasize:

. infinite love, .. long-term strategy, ... cultural neutrality.

Inyuki00

infty is not an English word, it is just a sequence of latin symbols, which are used in mathematical (LaTeX) texts to write lemniscate, meaning infinity, which is a mathematical concept.

If you come up with interesting truly culturally neutral name though, I'd love to know :)

0ChristianKl
It's an abbreviation of the English infinity and most people won't easily grasp it. Companies like Amazon and Google on the other hand have names that are a lot more neutral.
Inyuki00

"Unless you patent your patentable ideas I don't think this system can work."

If something won't work in the U.S., or E.U., because it is patented, it will work in China, or in bitspace...

Inyuki00

Because there is a track record, like a blockchain in Bitcoin, and people will be able to figure out eventually, to whom the credit is due. Eventually, we will not need hidden intellectual property to retain credit to whom the credit is due... Many people say that time is money, few say that information is money, but it is. The whole internet keeps a record of who came up with what idea. With the rise of things like Ethereum, and other advanced information technologies, it looks like there will be a day, when thinkers will get their proper credit, even for the ideas of the past.

Inyuki00

culturally-neutral domain name

Ain't no such thing.

Well, I like the Ethereum ÐΞV, or ∀∃∞.

Inyuki20

Btw., we aim for culturally-neutral domain name. Thing like oo.io would be great, but it is already taken.

0ChristianKl
infty seems to me very strongly culture driven. You likely need to spell it out for most people to remember. In general it's better to optimize for effectiveness than to try do everything and the kitchen sink.
0Lumifer
Ain't no such thing. You're using Roman alphabet, that traditional tool of white dead male imperialist aggressors! Now, if you manage to do a domain name consisting of a some letters from a Roman alphabet, some from Cyrillic, some from Devanagari, some from Hangul, etc., that would actually be fairly impressive. Unusable, but impressive :-)
Inyuki00

Will add alias domain names, good advice, thanks! :)

Inyuki00

A new comment pushes the topic back to the top of the list. So, whenever someone comments, -- someone notices it... We're working on it.

Inyuki00

No worries. We've got another revenue model, but thanks - a good suggestion.:)

Inyuki20

There are difficulties. Specifically:

  • how to get people write projects
  • how to get people fund projects

Improving trust and ease-of-use.

Inyuki20

A mind is a puzzle to solve, too.

Inyuki00

I see, [MattG]. True, and I know why the perceptions. Anyway, we have team members who did projects comparable in size and functionality with booking.com, and are very experienced in Python/Django development, toptal.com level. The [Villiam]'s estimate of $100 is laughable.

Inyuki20

Who said that there exists the outside? :)

0Lumifer
In that case I don't understand your difficulties. Just persuade your mind to stop screwing around and give you what you want.
Inyuki20

So you are very undefined. I know that I'm an 'infinitesimal' part of the observable universe, which wishes to understand: the Universe, and where and how does it originate; wishes that everything that anyone truly wishes could really exist; and, doesn't lose the hope to improve the whole Universe, because it knows that butterfly effect works... if used properly.

0Lumifer
Sure. But you are talking about things inside your mind. How about things in reality, outside of your mind?
Inyuki10

[Lumifer], what you are? Are you what you think you are? What kind of future do you want to have?

0Lumifer
LOL. I am a human, I think. Maybe? Could be a brain in a vat. Or a character in some alien kid's SimEarth game. A chatbot which escaped from supersekrit lab, even? Hard to tell, really. What kind of future do I want? That's a very general question. Before this devolves into a list of positive adjectives, do you have something specific in mind?
5[anonymous]
The thing is, this is how you will be perceived when you come to the table like this... This is how everyone who comes in with an idea, very little work, and no credentials will be perceived... That's really the takeaway you should have from Villiams post. Not "He's wrong about me" but "I'm coming across wrong" or possibly "I'm going to prove him wrong"
Inyuki00

From what I understand, it's something that LW could get behind - a way to crowdsource ideas then crowdfund them, and get equity based on how much of the idea you helped to generate. That's not a bad idea with some refinement.

Good point.

I have some ideas on how to actually make sure this grows, if you're interested.

Definitely interested.

Inyuki00

What point which you want to make requires me answering 'who supplies money to you?' question?

3ChristianKl
Knowing whether you are funded is useful estimating the lifetime of your project. It's also useful for understanding potential biases and the business model.
5Lumifer
In the real -- not future -- world one needs money to surivive. If one dislikes working for money, one needs to acquire money in other ways. Many of these other ways, from mooching to con games, are... problematic. And so you appear on LW, mention that your family wasn't rich (so you are unlikely to be a trust-fund baby), are very explicit that you dislike working for money, and propose a pyramid scheme.
Inyuki00

See, we are not talking about the modern world. We are talking about changing the world to create the world of abundance.

1Lumifer
Yes, but in the meantime you have to eat every day. Right now, who supplies money to you?
Inyuki00

Is exciting! :) [To be rational, we must work for well-defined goals, not for money that lacks descriptive power.]

On the contrary, it is worrisome that some people treat others as merely workforce that can be bought, and lack any empathy whatsoever.

1Lumifer
So, who feeds you and pays for your housing?
Inyuki00

I did try to look. My browser said "Secure Connection Failed".

Ha:) Is that because we use self-signed SSL cert? Try again. We'll upgrade cert later.

So, all of hyper-equity can be controlled by 1,000 - 10,000 people?

No, as many people as there are problems (Goals). Potentially infinite.

1Kawoomba
If you're looking for gullible recruits, you've come to the wrong place. Don't lease the Ferrari just yet.
Inyuki00

All these words and only for a pyramid scheme....

If you look, currently the fraction of "hyper-equity" that a user can have, is very small (0.0001 to 0.001), and I believe we should use risk models to adjust it in the future, with everyone's help, and choose the appropriate maximum amount of it. The reason why we have so little of hyper-equity, is because it precisely because we would like to avoid an unreasonable pyramid scheme.

1Lumifer
I did try to look. My browser said "Secure Connection Failed". So, all of hyper-equity can be controlled by 1,000 - 10,000 people?
Inyuki210

Many people can't go into long conversations about each other simply because answering requires more than one click. Even Google can't conceive of a better way of communication than Google Plus. I have to retype my answers to everyone around, whenever I get to meet a new person, I can't easily reuse my previous answers from an autosuggest list, and why not? Here is my idea, which I shared on halfbakery.com:

"Profiles should contain a 'magic FAQ.' Any vistor of your profile should be able to add a publicly invisible question to your magic FAQ; you would... (read more)