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Not yet unfortunately, as our main project (QubiQuest: Castle Craft) has taken more of our resources than I had hoped. The goal is to release it this year in Q3. We do have a Steam page and a trailer now: https://store.steampowered.com/app/2086720/Elementary_Trolleyology/

My hunch is that with your interview setup you're not getting people to elaborate the meaning of their terms but to sketch their theories of consciousness. We should expect some convergence for the former but a lot of disagreement about the latter - which is what you found.

By excluding "near-synonyms" like "awareness" or "experience" and by insisting to describe the structure of the consciousness process you've made it fairly hard for them to provide the usual candidates for a conceptual analysis or clarification of "consciousness" (Qualia, Redness of Red,... (read more)

We will post more when the game is announced, which should be in 2-3 weeks. For now I'm mostly interested in getting feedback on whether this way of setting the problem up is plausible and doesn't miss crucial elements, less about how to translate it into gameplay and digestible dialogue.

Once the annoucement (including the teaser) is out I'll create a new post for concrete ideas on gameplay + dialogue. 

3Gunnar_Zarncke
Did you get around to finish the game? I didn't see it. Or is it this?: AI takeover tabletop RPG: "The Treacherous Turn"

I really like that and it happens to fit well with the narrative that we're developing. I'll see where we can include a scene like this.

2James_Miller
Excellent.  I would be happy to help.  I teach game theory at Smith College.

Good point, I see what you mean. I think we could have 2 distinct concepts of "ethics" and 2 corresponding orthogonality theses:
 

  1. Concept "ethics1" requires ethics to be motivational. Some set of rules can only be the true ethics if, necessarily, everyone who knows them is motivated to follow them. (I think moral internalist probably use this concept?)
  2. Concept "ethics2" doesn't require some set of rules to be motivational to be the correct ethics.
     

The orthogonality thesis for 1 is what I mentioned: Since there are (probably) no rules that necessari... (read more)

1cubefox
Exactly!

"Yet the average person would say it isn't possible." 

I'd distinguish conceivability from possibility. In the case of possibility there are many types: logical possibility (no logical contradiction), broad logical possibility (no conceptual incoherence), nomological possibility, physical possibility, etc. Most people would probably agree that levitating frogs are logically possible, broadly logically possible, but not physically or nomologically possible as this would contradict the laws of physics.

It's less clear to me that there are many different t... (read more)

1TAG
Most people would make a snap judgement , and not have any idea about the different kinds of conceivability and possibility.

I'd say both of these discoveries/explanations didn't change what is conceivable. Even before the water=H2O discovery it was conceptually coherent/conceivable that electrolysing water yields hydrogen. And it was and is conceivable to levitate a frog as there is no contradiction in this idea. It's just very surprising that it can actually be done.

5TAG
But lots of other things were conceivable before the discovery. The narrowing is that, in terms of the correct explanation, the possibility that you get sodium and chlorine is no longer tenable . Yet the average person would say it isn't possible. Conceivability isn't one thing. Philosophers treat conceivability as a strict lack of contradiction, ordinary people make a judgement based on a bunch of things including background beliefs in physics. Conceivability isn't one thing even in one person. One person can make a judgement in terms of pure non contradiction, or in terms of common sense assumptions, or in terms of some sophisticated scientific theory , if they know it.

Could you give me an example of a case where an explanation has broadened or narrowed what is conceivable, so I understand better what you have in mind?

1TAG
Narrowing: if you haven't heard that water is H2O, the fact that electrolysing water yields hydrogen and oxygen would seem arbitrary and mysterious. But given the explanation that water is H2O, it seems obvious. Broadening: It wouldn't strike most people that you could levitate a frog. https://www.ru.nl/hfml/research/levitation-explained/diamagnetic-levitation/