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This is indeed how I've been living my life lately. I'm trying to avoid any unacceptable states like ending up in debt or without the ability to sustain myself if I'm wrong about everything but it's all short-term hedonism aside from that.

I fully agree with the Statement but also support Pause/Stop. The reason is that I'm highly confident that everyone dies if we achieve AGI in the near future, so since I'm still relatively young I prefer getting to live some more years instead.

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The perspective in this post has been quite helpful to me for dealing with this and might work as a new thought paradigm if viewing these things as obligations is part of what is causing your stress. If the never-ending nature of the tasks itself is an issue, then perhaps this post can help with that. 

1Simon Fischer
Seconding the recommendation of the rest in motion post, it has helped me with a maybe-similar feeling.

The concepts page link in the "Exploring your interests" section seems wrong.

I think Dumbledore is right and the answer to this question is "Why not?". Dealing with chaos and complexity is intellectually stimulating as well, so there's no particular reason for Voldemort to not be evil if that's more fun than the alternative.

It's not that Voldemort is optimizing for evilness, it's just that he doesn't see a point to restricting his evil impulses as he pursues whatever goals he has, e.g. taking power to defend the magical world against the muggles.

2Adam Zerner

We can also become grabby without being there anymore, e.g. the paperclip maximizer scenario. 

4Viliam
There may be a tradeoff, where by becoming simpler the civilization can spread across the universe faster. So the fastest spreading civilizations are non-sentient von-Neumann-probe maximizers. That would explain why sentient beings find themselves early in the universe.

How does animal cloning fit in the picture? Transposon count should be preserved as part of the DNA in the cloned animal and that seems to imply that we'd see accelerated aging, especially if the source cell has been taken from an aged animal. That doesn't seem to happen, though, cloned animals and their offspring appear to have normal lives and lifespans as long as they get past the early development process (https://doi.org/10.1159/000452444).

2Daniel_Eth
How common is it for transposon count to increase in a cell? If it's a generally uncommon event for any one cell, then it could simply be that clones from a large portion of cells will only start off with marginally more (if any) extra transposons, while those that do start off with a fair bit more don't make it past the early development process.

If this is the case, I wonder if we can use the side effects that we get from the vaccination as evidence on a personal level for whether we fall into the immune group. At a glance it seems that their presence would mean successful and strong activation of the immune response, so it would be more likely to end up working for us? Not sure if there is a correlation here and how strong it might be. 

If they have similar attitudes to mine, then the feelings are slightly positive, possibly because of receiving validation for my own behaviour. On the other hand, if the defectors are doing worse things, the feelings are fully negative, I don't think there is any effect as you suggest.

To put things more concretely, I try not to do anything harmful but also don't do anything that helps society (charity, activism, environmental stuff, etc.) unless I get some concrete benefit. When someone does defect in the way of being actively harmful or breakin... (read more)

5tenthkrige
Well that's a mindset I don't encounter often irl. Do you estimate you're a central example in your country / culture ?

I'm from Eastern Europe and have this tendency. I've been quite curious about why for example any kind of activism evokes negative emotions and I think at least in my case the answer seems to be what you're proposing here. The prevalent attitude in society is to free-ride as much as you can and I'm also doing that. To answer the question from the beginning of the post, if we just let other people make cooperation the new norm, then I'll be expected to cooperate too. I want to keep not caring about society, so I guess the actions of cooperators cash out emotionally as a threat to the status quo that I want to preserve.

3tenthkrige
Tell me if this gets too personal, but do defectors evoke positive emotions? (Because they lower societal expectations?) Or negative emotions? (i.e. you have a sweet spot of cooperation and dislike deviations from it?)

The biggest concern/red flag for me is one aspect of the authoritarian nature of the project. I would be perfectly fine with fully outsourcing decisions (giving higher intellectual status) but not with being a subordinate in full generality. What I'm trying to point at is the difference between "What should I do? He said to do "x" and I trust his expertise so this is my best option and I'm going to make myself do it if unpleasant" and someone forcing me to do the thing.

Which of the two would be my intuitive reaction depends mostly on y... (read more)

2Duncan Sabien (Deactivated)
This is a clear and cogent point, and thanks for posting it. I suspect the authoritarian stuff is a necessary catalyst, to get the group cohered together and working, and after an initial period it becomes less and less useful. For instance, I think a major part of the thing is getting everyone to be in the same room at the same times, and that happens fastest and becomes ingrained easiest if someone's just dictating the time (after reasonably accounting for everyone's constraints and preferences). But once everyone's all in the same room, I don't think it makes too much sense for an authoritarian to dictate what happens. Like, I think the useful thing is something along the lines of "well, if you all can't decide where we're going to eat, then we're getting pizza"—my plan is to set a minimum bar of "this is a useful thing to be doing," and to demand that we do at least that, but to in no way restrict people from coming up with something better/more effective/more worthwhile. So, we start off by having morning exercise and weekly dinner, and then over time, people who are chafing because the morning exercise get to say, "Hey, you know what would be a better use of this slot of togetherness that is taken as a given? Doing X or Y or Z." The authoritarianism is there to support the scaffold, but is not there to say what grows on it, except in the most general sense of "let's try to improve" and "let's lean toward important stuff rather than trivial." I also note that I'm somewhat overemphasizing the authoritarian bit, because I expect it's the most difficult piece to swallow, and I want to really really really really really make sure that I don't undersell how strict things will end up being. It seems way worse to lose a couple of people who would've liked it because I made it sound too restrictive than to include people who are going to be trapped and unhappy because I didn't give them enough warning.

Used the poll. I've been reading mostly old posts for the last year but never registered as I feel I can't contribute much to the discussions. I check the discussion forum regularly but read/click only what seems interesting or is highly upvoted.