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Lucent-3-2

Sticky trap outrage is covert factory farm apologetics. Pretending the suffering time integral of a single mouse held still exeeds the suffering of billions of chicken and cow "instant" deaths is a way to culturally launder factory farming as humane.

Lucent10

Very interested in any unique approaches and I don't want to constrain your creativity, but I am happy to jump on a 5-minute call to rapidly exchange ideas or discuss limitations or strengths of the data, if you think that might help. Also curious which newsletter so I can thank them for the signal boost.

2tyleransom
I found this from Slime Mold Time Mold's monthly links for Nov 2023. I imagine @underthesun did as well, but won't speak for them.
Lucent10

You are drawing out many thoughts I had not explicitly stated in the post, so thank you. The contest is offered as such because I believe I've already stumbled into an answer and it is buried within the data. A couple weeks here and there when I ate certain macros or walked enough steps and prematurely quit, not realizing careful retrospective analysis reveals statistically significant loss above RMR for those periods that persisted for months, before being reversed by whatever combination of factors "unlocks" raising my set point.

Lucent10

Added a sentence to the opener expressing the essential issue. Whether pure potatoes or meal replacement shakes, my body isn't fooled by them. I have plenty of hunger to eat 2500 calories of potatoes or drink half a dozen shakes, so there's no advantage over eating regular, interesting food.

If I can't solve the mystery subtractively, a 'tide drug is the last resort. I don't yet have a rationale I can articulate for wanting to succeed on my "factory settings" but the desire is there.

2Viliam
Ah, too bad. (To me it makes a difference: it is easy to overeat with normal food, but I have no such desire with the meal replacements.) By the way, have you tried adding edible fiber (psyllium) to your diet? That's basically zero calories but helps fill the stomach. I get it. Drugs often have side effects, and just having to buy and remember to eat them is inconvenient. It would be much nicer if things "just worked". Sadly, often they don't. :( Given that you are mostly retired, maybe you could experiment more with energy expenditure? Like, try doing sport all day long for two weeks. Problem is, even if that solved the problem, it would probably take a lot of time, so you wouldn't want to do this permanently. Is there a smart way to spend calories without spending time, for example always wearing a heavy backpack? Or just do some heavy-intensity exercise every morning and evening. Make your house colder. Put your computer on a walking desk. Etc.
Lucent10

Previously, Tourette's occupied the same category in my mind as stuttering, a lifelong organic brain disease or wiring fault not amenable to coaching or psychiatry. However, I'm questioning this after watching The Vow, an NXIVM documentary illustrating, with video, a childhood Tourette's sufferer be "cured" by some sort of negative reinforcement training. Upon looking up the Wikipedia, I'm surprised to find a prognosis of "80% will experience improvement to disappearance of tics beginning in late teens." Further, there's been an extreme uptick in Tourette'... (read more)

Lucent00

I believe consciousness mostly exists to translate complex life situations into a language that can be matched to our instincts. One of the instincts underlying testosterone regulation is probably something like: "If you are victorious in a difficult battle for status you did not expect to win, upregulate." I doubt it's easily fooled since your own consciousness is using your full intelligence to map the terms "difficult," "status", and "victorious" from the instinct script to the actual situation you've placed yourself in.

Lucent10

Testosterone levels go up and down based on success and failure in conflicts. It indicates the likelihood you’ll win the next conflict and determines your propensity to engage in further conflict. Win a lot, your levels go up, and you’re more likely to stand your ground or even initiate a conflict. Lose a lot, and that indicator will downregulate your behavior to prevent you from risking conflicts that have, historically, not gone well for you. It’s like a built-in, unconscious hint that regulates your desire to roll a die based on how well you’ve rolled i... (read more)

Lucent20

Sometimes, in trading, one accepts a fixed value and in exchange offers something in return of near infinite value to all of society until the end of time that others build upon.

Lucent50

Where can I learn more of the frontier thought on schizophrenia? The most compelling theory I've heard is a failure to realize one's internal monologue is one's own, manifested as "hearing voices." However, if I lost that feedback loop and began hearing my thoughts as externally produced, I'd immediately think, "uh oh, schizophrenia" yet this absolutely isn't the case for schizophrenics. What model offers an explanation as to why I'd begin to hear voices yet still maintain I'm not schizophrenic despite that being, to me, an obvious, known symptom?

3ChristianKl
It's just one symptom. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Positive_and_Negative_Syndrome_Scale is an example of a scale to measure schizophrenia that gets used by actual psychiatrists.  In general the concept of frontier thought seems very unclear to me. The ideas you will hear will depend a lot on the community of people you talk to. If you talk to people who create drugs they will likely tell you that the problem is due to brain chemistry.  The Esalen community had a Schizophrenia Research Project where they made a long-term study (time-frames longer then normal drug studies) that found that the drugs prevent people from naturally healing their schizophrenia.  Steven Andreas claims that Schizophrenia is a downstream effect of having a self concept build based on a lot of "not-X" statements.  Yoga folks tell you it's a malfunctioning solar plexus chakra. With the new ICD codes that might be officially diagnosable, so it's frontier thought. 
5ESRogs
Don't really know anything about this subject, but your comment has gone unanswered for 15 days, so I'll offer some wild speculation. Well, 1) maybe you wouldn't. Maybe the experience of hearing voices is really compelling, and people by default trust their own senses over a more outside-view perspective. But maybe if you think it through ahead of time and know what to look for you could avoid getting swept away in the delusions. (Though it sounds like it might be pretty exhausting if your mind keeps offering up new, misleading sense data.) 2) Maybe schizophrenia only happens when more goes wrong than just hearing your verbal loop as external. Maybe something about your normal reasoning process is necessarily disrupted at the same time. Or maybe the two are independent, but people who have just the externalized verbal loop or just the reasoning process disruption don't end up diagnosed as schizophrenics. (Though in that case, where are all the people with an externalized verbal loop who are otherwise normal? Or is that secretly a common thing and I just don't know it?) So, there's a couple thoughts. I hope my unfounded speculation has been helpful :-)
Lucent30

Could rationalists be the worst people to be put in charge of keeping an AI in the box? We can assume:

  1. Smarter people can convince perfectly rational dumber people of anything, even against their best interests.
  2. Evolution figured out it can't be guaranteed to produce the smartest brain and needs to give everyone built-in safeguards.

I've seen AI box transcripts in which the consensus was: the AI stayed in the box because the AI player was too "dumb" to be swayed by the nuanced, rational arguments. Instead of attributing stubbornness to lack of intelligence, i

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3ChristianKl
I haven't heard a nonrationalist say "what you are saying sounds smart but I don't know enough about the topic to evaluate your argument, so I won't let myself get convinced" but have heard that from a rationalist (as in someone coming to the LessWrong community weekend).  It's not rational to let yourself be argued into anything when faced with a powerful and potentially manipulative actor. 
4niplav
If you haven't read it yet, you might be very interested in Reason as memetic immune disorder.
Lucent110

I'm sure this phenomenon has a name by now, but I'm struggling to find it. What is it called when requirements are applied to an excess of applicants solely for the purpose of whittling them down to a manageable number, but doing so either filters no better than chance or actively eliminates the ideal candidate?

For example, a job may require a college degree, but its best workers would be those without one. Or an apartment complex is rude to applicants knowing there are an excess, scaring off good tenants in favor of those desperate. Or someone finds exceptional luck securing online dating "matches" and begins to fill their profile with requirements that put off worthwhile mates.

2NancyLebovitz
Conservation of thought, perhaps. The root problem is having more options than you can handle, probably amplified by bad premises. Or the other hand, if you're swamped, when will you have time to improve your premises? "Conservation of thought" is from an early issue of The New York Review of Science Fiction.
3SurvivalBias
I think something like "market inefficiency" might be the word. Disclaimer - I'm not an economist and don't know the precise technical meaning of this term. But roughly speaking, the situations you describe seem to be those where the law of supply and demand is somehow prevented from acting directly on the monetary price, so the non-monetary "price" is increased/decreased instead. In the case of the apartments, they'd probably be happy to increase the price until they've got exactly the right number of applicants but are kept from doing it by rent control or reputation or something, so they incur moral costs on the applicants. In case of hiring, they're probably kept from lowering their wages through some combination of: inability to lower wages of the existing employees on the similar positions, wages not being exactly public anyway, and maybe some psychological expectations where nobody with required credentials will agree to work for less than X, no matter how good the conditions are (or alternatively they're genuinely trying to pick the best and failing, than it's Goodheart's law). And in the case of the dating market there simply is no universal currency to begin with.
3Thomas Kwa
"throwing the baby out with the bathwater"?
1Filipe Marchesini
I think you are referring to Goodheart's law, because all the measures your examples used as a proxy to achieve some goal were gamified in a way that the proxy stopped working reliably.
Lucent40

Is it possible we already have a lot of information about the impact of viral load and just don't realize it? Ever since we switched to agriculture and civilization, the human population has had a large fraction wiped out dozens of times. I don't think we're descendants of merely lucky or biologically "sturdy" people, but of people whose behaviors optimized viral load or had personality traits that helped them avoid it entirely.

Could we be looking at two distinct, competing behaviors which help survival that have evolved out of the ashes of the plagues tha

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Lucent10

As a child who repeatedly got tonsillitis several times a year, sometimes when totally isolated and sometimes later hearing everyone else around me also got a sore throat, I grew up confused as to why contagious disease tracking was a problem we'd given up on and accepted. No doctor was ever curious of the specific virus or bacteria which caused it. While no one case greatly affected my life, as a whole they very much did. Then again, I was also struck by the possibly false realization that many STDs which have followed us for thousands of years could be p

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Lucent20

Is there general agreement that anchoring experiments are a subversion of an evolutionary trait that is generally beneficial? It's rare to be in a group, be presented with a "random" number, and then be asked a question whose answer will be an unrelated number. Unless you have a lot of group status, it's much less harmful to your standing to be wrong with many others frequently than it is beneficial to be right alone infrequently. It's only recent in our evolutionary history that the balance has tipped in the other direction.