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Small groups of mammals can already cooperate with each other (wolf's, lions, monkeys etc.). In mammals, I'd guess having a queen gives a bottleneck in how fast there can be off-spring. Also if there are large returns to division of labor in child-rearing, large animals are smart enough that both parents can do this together, while in wasps the males just die (why actually?). So wasps get higher marginal returns when evolving the first steps towards being eusocial. Also smaller animals have more diverse environments and need fewer years to "locked in" euso... (read more)

… that wasn’t enough to learn the pattern, though. Shortly out of college, reality was still hitting me over the head; that time the big idea was an efficient implementation of universal competitively-optimal portfolios. I lost a couple thousand dollars on wildly over-leveraged forex positions.

I am curious what that idea was and where it went wrong. 

In that case also consider installing PowerToys and pressing Alt+Space to open applications or files (to avoid unhelpful internet searches etc.).

I like this sequence and am aware it is not finished yet. Here's my I am understanding so far. After reading the sequence, I think I can predict your response to the first 5 conundrums, so my previous confusion there (why cluster rather than factor) seems resolved. But I think I still disagree with the later examples that I was confused with before reading your sequence. One example of conundrums where I think I get what your reply would be:

  • "Why isn't factor analysis considered the main research tool?"

    Factor analysis doesn't capture the main bottlenecks

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So I should look out for that, e.g. by doing some manual fermi estimates or other direct checking about ABC or by investigating the strength of the steelman of reaction XYZ, or by keeping an eye out for people systematically reacting with XYZ without good foundation so I can notice this,

Accusing people in my head of not being numerate enough when this happens has helped, because then I don't want to be a hypocrite. GPT4o or o1 are good at fermi estimates, making this even easier.

I noticed the tag posts imported from Arbital that haven't been edited on LW yet can't be found when searching those tags from the "Add Tags" button above posts. Adding ineffective edits like spaces at the end of a paragraph seems to fix that problem.

2RobertM
Thanks for the heads up, we'll have this fixed shortly (just need to re-index all the wiki pages once).

I noticed the tag posts imported from Arbital that haven't been edited on LW yet can't be found when searching those tags from the "Add Tags" button above posts. Adding ineffective edits like spaces at the end of a paragraph seems to fix that problem.

I didn't downvote, but my impression is the post seems to hand-wave away a lot of problems and gives the impression you haven't actually thought clearly and in detail about whether the ideas you propose here are feasible.

Some people have been thinking for quite some time now that an AI that wants to be changed would be great, but that it's not that easy to create one, so how is your proposal different? Maybe checkout the corrigibility tag. Figuring out which desiderata are actually feasible to implement and how is the hard part. Same goes for your Matroshk... (read more)

1ank
Thank you, Morpheus. Yes, I see how it can appear hand-wavy. I decided not to overwhelm people with the static, non-agentic multiversal UI and its implications here. While agentic AI alignment is more difficult and still a work in progress, I'm essentially creating a binomial tree-like ethics system (because it's simple to understand for everyone) that captures the growth and distribution of freedoms ("unrules") and rules ("unfreedoms") from the Big Bang to the final Black Hole-like dystopia (where one agent has all the freedoms) or a direct democratic multiversal utopia (where infinitely many human—and, if we deem them safe, non-human—agents exist with infinitely many freedoms). I put a diagram down below. The idea is that, as the only agents, we grow intelligence into a static, increasingly larger shape in which we can live, visit or peek occasionally. We can hide parts of the shape so that it remains static but different. Or, you could say it's a bit "dynamic," but no more than the dynamics of GTA 3-4-5, which still don’t involve agentic AIs, only simple, understandable algorithms. This is 100% safe if we remain the only agents. The static space will represent frozen omniscience (space-like superintelligence), and eventually, we will become omnipotent (time-like recalling/forgetting of parts of the whole geometry). Physicalization of Ethics & AGI Safety In this diagram, time flows from top to bottom, with the top representing something like the Big Bang. Each horizontal row of dots represents a one-dimensional universe at a given moment, while the lines extending downward from each dot represent the passage of time—essentially the “freedom” to choose a future. If two dots try to create a “child” at the same position (making the same choice), they cause a “freedoms collision,” resulting in empty space or “dead matter” that can no longer make choices (like a micro black hole). It becomes space-like rather than time-like. Agents, in this model, are two-dimension

Finding some some friend (or language model?) to play Zendo (the science game) with makes this really intuitive on a gut level. Guessing a rule based on whether a sequence of 3 integers is either accepted or rejected works pretty well via text.

NOTE: I posted this to LW and I'm new here so I don't totally know the cross-posting policies. Hope it's alright that I posted here too!

It seems you posted on LW twice instead or in addition to cross-posting to the EA forum.

1Ori Nagel
Whoops! I definitely posted this second one to Alignment Forum but I guess it got cross posted back to LW. 

I just tried this with o3-mini-high and o3-mini. o3-mini-high identified and prevented the fork correctly, while o3-mini did not even correctly identify it lost.

I can only see the image of the 5-d random walk. The other images aren't rendering.

2Dmitry Vaintrob
Do the images load now?
Morpheus*50

I was already sold on singularity. For what it's worth I found the post and comments very helpful for why you would want to take the sun apart in the first place and why it would be feasible and desirable for superintelligent and non-superintelligent civilization (Turning the sun into a smaller sun that doesn't explode seems nicer than having it explode. Fusion gives off way more energy than lifting the material. Gravity is the weakest of the 4 forces after all. In a superintelligent civilization with reversible computers, not taking apart the sun will make readily available mass a taut constraint).

Morpheus*30

One thing I am pretty confident about is that methylation patterns are downstream, not upstream. Methyl group turnover time is far too fast to be a plausible root cause of aging. (In principle, there could be some special methyl groups which turn over slowly, but I would find that very surprising.)

My possibly wrong understanding here is that there are histone modifications and other proteins (like CTCF) that make methylation patterns way more stable? Which leads to some methylation patterns like imprinting for genes like IGF2 to be stable in most tissue... (read more)

This argument against subagents is important and made me genuinely less confused. I love the concrete pizza example and the visual of both agent's utility in this post. Those lead me to actually remember the technical argument when it came up in conversation.

I found Steven Byrnes valence concept really useful for my own thinking about psychology more broadly and concretely when reading text messages from my contextualizing friend (in that when a message was ambiguous, guessing the correct interpretation based on valence worked surprisingly well for me).

I ended up dodging the bullet of loosing money here, because I was a bit worried that Nate Silvers model might have been behind, because the last poll then was on the 23rd. I was also too busy with other important work to resolve my confusions before the election. My current two best guesses are:

  • The French whale did not have an edge,
  • The neighbour polling method is a just-so story to spread confusion, but he actually did have an edge
  • I don't understand correctly how this neighbour polling method is supposed to work.

In any case, if Polymarket is still l... (read more)

Morpheus*40

I had a discussion with @Towards_Keeperhood what we would expect in the world where orcas either are or aren't more intellectually capable than humans if trained. Main pieces I remember were: Orcas already dominating the planet (like humans do), large sea creatures going extinct due to orcas (similar to how humans drove several species extinct (Megalodon? Probably extinct for different reasons, weak evidence against? Most other large whales are still around)). I argued that @Towards_Keeperhood was also underestimating the intricacies that hunter-gatherers ... (read more)

1Towards_Keeperhood
To clarify for other readers: I do not necessarily endorse this is what we would expect if orcas were smart. (Also I read somewhere that apparently chimpanzees sometimes/rarely can experience menopause in captivity.)

Typo in the linked document:

There is no one is coming to save us.

2adamShimi
Now addressed in the latest patch!

Can someone who is already trading on Polymarket or is planning to do so soon tell me if there are any hidden fees (or ways my money might be locked up for longer than I expect) if I trade on Polymarket? Four years ago I got hit by enormous ether gas fees on Augur, which still made my bet positive EV, but only barely so (I had to wait quite a while for the gas cost to go that low and was loosing out on investing the money and my attention). I plan to bet ~$3K-$7K and think Kamala Harris has a 45% chance of winning. Is that enough for all the transaction costs to vanish?

1Morpheus
I ended up dodging the bullet of loosing money here, because I was a bit worried that Nate Silvers model might have been behind, because the last poll then was on the 23rd. I was also too busy with other important work to resolve my confusions before the election. My current two best guesses are: * The French whale did not have an edge, * The neighbour polling method is a just-so story to spread confusion, but he actually did have an edge * I don't understand correctly how this neighbour polling method is supposed to work. In any case, if Polymarket is still legal in 4 years I expect the prediction market on the election to be efficient relative to me and I will not bet on it.
2Annapurna
There are no transaction costs if you have USDC on Polygon. Onboarding USDC into Polygon might bear costs but they are minimal. 
3Rafael Harth
You should be good (though I have only bet once; haven't withdrawn yet, so can't guarantee it). I think the gist of it is that Polymarket uses layer 2 and so is cheaper.
Morpheus*10

One confounder: depression/mania. Recently (the last ~two weeks) I have been having bad sleep (waking up 3-7 am and not feeling sleepy anymore (usually I sleep from midnight to 9). My current best guess is that the problem is that my life has been going too well recently, leading to a self-sustaining equilibrium where I have little sleep and mania. Reduced my medication today (~55mg instead of 70mg) which seems to have helped with the mania. I had another day with slight mania 1 month ago when sleeping little in order to travel to a conference, so in the f... (read more)

I am also interested in finding a space to explore ideas which are not well-formed. It isn’t clear to me that this is intended to be such a space. This may simply be due to my ignorance of the mechanics around here.

For not well-formed ideas, you can write a Quick Take (can be found by clicking on your profile name in the top right corner) or starting a dialogue if you want to develop the idea together with someone (can be found in the same corner).

I feel like there should exist a more advanced sequence that explains problems with filtered evidence leading to “confirmation bias”. I think the Luna sequence is already a great step in the right direction. I do feel like there is a lack of the equivalent non-fiction version, that just plainly lays out the issue. Maybe what I am envisioning is just a version of What evidence filtered evidence with more examples of how to practice this skill (applied to search engines, language models, someone’s own thought process, information actively hidden from you, ra... (read more)

adult augmentation 2-3std for the average person seems plausible, but for the few +6std people on earth it might just give +0.2std or +0.3std, which tbc I think is incredibly worthwhile.

Such high diminishing returns in g based on genes seems quite implausible to me, but would be happy if you can point to evidence to the contrary. If it works well for people with average Intelligence, I'd expect it to work at most half as well with +6sd.

1Towards_Keeperhood
Idk I'd be intuitively surprised if adult augmentation would get someone from +6 to +7. I'm like from +0 to +3 is a big difference, and from +6 to +6.3 is an almost as big difference too. But idk maybe not. Maybe partially it's also that I think that intelligence augmentation interventions get harder once you get into higher intelligence levels. Where there are previously easy improvement possibilities there might later need to be more entangled groups of genes that are good and it's harder to tune those. And it's hard to get very good data on what genes working together actually result in very high intelligence because we don't have that many very smart people.

I am a bit confused why some of these theories would be so hard to test? It seems like some core pathways that seem like they wouldn't be reversible even in naive stem cells under any circumstances (like transposons copying themselves successfully), could possibly be tested by checking if clones derived from older cells age faster or something along those lines? The same goes for children from older parents? (Not sure to which extent that test would be made harder by all the mechanisms keeping the germ line immortal)

I don't know where anger fits into this. Also I should look at how these behaviors manifest in other animals.

Morpheus*30

Hypothesis based on the fact that status is a strong drive and people who are on the outer ends of that spectrum get classified as having a "personality disorder" and are going to be very resistant to therapy:

  • weak-status-fear==psychopathy: psychopathy is caused by the loop leading to fear of loosing status, being less strong than average or possibly broken. (psychopathy is Probably on a spectrum. I don't see a reason why little of this feeling would be less optimal than none.)
  • strong-status-fear==(?histrionic personality disorder)
  • weak-status-seeking-loo
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1Morpheus
I don't know where anger fits into this. Also I should look at how these behaviors manifest in other animals.

Since I am already on the fancy note-taking train, I'd find examples of your actual note files way more interesting.

On my phone, rotating the screen by 180° quickly reverses the direction and then I rotate it back slowly.

I think from the perspective of a radical probabilist, it is very natural to not only have a word of where your current point estimate is at, but also have some tagging for the words indicating how much computation went into it or if this estimate already tries to take the listeners model into account also?

I misread your whole post by thinking your title implied "your post would question whether the entropy increased=> the post argues it decreases" and then I was reading sloppily and didn't notice my error.

Also you should halt and reevaluate your intuitions if they lead you to believe there is a perpetual motion machine.

2tailcalled
Increasing entropy is perfectly physically allowed, it doesn't lead to perpetual motion.

Photosynthesis? Most of the carbon is bound from CO2 by using sun exergy.

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2tailcalled
Yes, much of what I'm talking about is photosynthesis. I don't understand your comment.
1Morpheus
Also you should halt and reevaluate your intuitions if they lead you to believe there is a perpetual motion machine.

Cool post. I agree with the many-shot part in principle. It strikes me that in a few years (hopefully not months?), this will look naive in a similar way that all the thinking on ways a well boxed AI might be controlled look naive now. If I understand correctly, these kinds of simulations would require a certain level of slowing down and doing things that are slightly inconvenient once you hit a certain capability level. I don't trust labs like OpenAI, Deepmind, (Anthropic maybe?) to execute such a strategy well.

8Noosphere89
I think a crux here is that I think that the synthetic data path is actually pretty helpful even from a capabilities perspective, because it lets you get much, much higher quality data than existing data, and most importantly in domains where you can abuse self-play like math or coding, you can get very, very high amounts of capability from synthetic data sources, so I think the synthetic data strategy has less capabilities taxes than a whole lot of alignment proposals on LW. Importantly, we may well be able to automate the synthetic data alignment process in the near future, which would make it even less of a capabilities tax. To be clear, just because it's possible and solvable doesn't mean it's totally easy, we do still have our work cut out for us, it's just that we've transformed it into a process where normal funding and science can actually solve the problem without further big breakthroughs/insights. Then again, I do fear you might be right that they are under such competitive pressure, or at least value racing so highly that they will not slow down even a little, or at least not do any alignment work once superintelligence is reached.
Morpheus122

If legibility of expertise is a bottleneck to progress and adequacy of civilization, it seems like creating better benchmarks for knowledge and expertise for humans might be a valuable public good. While that seems difficult for aesthetics, it seems easier for engineering? I'd rather listen to a physics PhD, who gets Thinking Physics questions right (with good calibration), years into their professional career, than one who doesn't.

One way to do that is to force experts to make forecasts, but this takes a lot of time to hash out and even more time to resol... (read more)

2ChristianKl
If you have a best that actually measures expertise in engineering well, it's going to be valuable for those who make hiring decisions.  Triplebyte essentially seems to have found a working business model that is about testing for expertise in programming. If you can do something similar as Triplebyte for other areas of expertise, that might be a good business model. As far as genius hedgehog's in academia go, currently they find it very hard to get funding for their ideas. If you would replace the current process of having to write a grant proposal with having to take a test to measure expertise, I would expect the diversity of ideas that get researched to increase. 

It not being linked on Twitter and Facebook seems more like a feature than a bug, given that when I asked Gwern why a page like this doesn't already exist, he wrote me he doesn't want people to mock it.

> I really like the importance Tags, but what I would really like is a page
> where I can just go through all the posts ordered by importance. I just
> stumbled over another importance 9 post (iron rules) when I thought I had
> read all of them. Clicking on the importance tag, just leads to a page
> explaining the importance tag.

Yeah, that is a mi

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3trevor
This could have been a post so more people could link it (many don't reflexively notice that you can easily get a link to a Lesswrong quicktake or Twitter or facebook post by mousing over the date between the upvote count and the poster, which also works for tab and hotkey navigation for people like me who avoid using the mouse/touchpad whenever possible).

The recent post on reliability and automation reminded me that my "textexpansion" tool Espanso is not reliable enough on Linux (Ubuntu, Gnome, X11). Anyone here using reliable alternatives?

I've been using Espanso for a while now, but its text expansions miss characters too often, which is worse than useless. I fiddled with Espanso's settings just now and set the backend to Clipboard, which seems to help with that, but it still has bugs like the special characters remaining ("@my_email_shorthand" -> "@myemail@gmail.com").

Morpheus*1613

In particular, I think you might need to catch many escape attempts before you can make a strong case for shutting down. (For concreteness, I mostly imagine situations where we need to catch the model trying to escape 30 times.)

So instead of leaving the race once the models start scheming against you, you keep going to gather more instances of scheming until you can finally convince people? As an outside reader of that story I'd just be screaming at the protagonists that clearly everyone can see where this is going where scheming attempt number 11 is ju... (read more)

There is probably a lot of variation between people regarding that. In my family meds across the board improved people's sleep (by making people less sleepy during the day, so more active and less naps). When I reduced my medication from 70mg to 50mg for a month to test whether I still needed the full dose, the thing that was annoying the most was my sleep (waking up at night and not falling asleep again increased. Falling asleep initially was maybe slightly easier). Taking it too late in the afternoon is really bad for my sleep, though.

2keltan
That matches with what my psychiatrist told me. I find it surprising how large the variation between individuals can be with these meds. I have met people who can drink an espresso before bed and it actually helps their sleep. But I find those people to be rare. I see much more variance in amphetamines. My mental data set isn’t large enough to make any sold predictions. But I am unable to point to a clear “most people's sleep is (X)ed by amphetamines”.
Morpheus*330

Things I learned that surprised me from a deep dive into how the medication I've been taking for years (Vyvanse) actually gets metabolized:

  • It says in the instructions that it works for 13 hours, and my psychiatrist informed me that it has a slow onset of about an hour. What that actually means is that after ~1h you reach 1/2 the peak concentration and after 13 hours you are at 1/2 the peak concentration again, because the half-life is 12h (and someone decided at some point 1/2 is where we decide the exponential starts and ends?). Importantly, this means
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4keltan
This seems like it will be useful for me in the future. I’ve been wondering for a while how the long half life of ADHD meds impact sleep. Any data on that?

Looking forward to the rest of the sequence! On my current model, I think I agree with ~50% of the "scientism" replies (roughly I agree with those relating to thinking of things as binary vs. continuous, while I disagree with the outlier/heavy-tailed replies), so I'll see if you can change my mind.

The technical background is important, but in a somewhat different way than I'd thought when I wrote it. When I was writing it, I was hoping to help transmit my model of how things work so that people could use it to make their own decisions. I still think it's good to try to do this, however imperfectly it might happen in practice. But I think the main reason it is important is because people want to know where I'm coming from, what kinds of things I considered, and how deeply I have investigated the matter.

Yes! I think it is beneficial and important t... (read more)

Raising children better doesn't scale well. Neither in how much ooomph you get out of it per person, nor in how many people you can reach with this special treatment.

Morpheus*30

What (human or not) phenomena do you think are well explained by this model? I tried to think of any for 5 minutes and the best I came up with was the strong egalitarianism among hunter gatherers. I don't actually know that much about hunter gatherers though. In the modern world something where "high IQ" people are doing worse is sex, but it doesn't seem to fit your model.

6Wei Dai
Human-human: Various historical and current episodes of smarter-than-average populations being persecuted or discriminated against, such as intellectuals, "capitalists" (i.e., people labeled as such), certain ethnic groups. (I'm unsure my model is actually a good explanation of such phenomena, but this is mainly what I was trying to explain.) Human-AI: Many people being reluctant to believe that it's a good idea to build unaligned artificial superintelligence and then constraining them with a system of laws and/or social norms (which some people like Robin Hanson and Mathew Barnett have proposed). Aside from the issue of violent overthrow, any such system is bound to have loopholes, which the ASI will be more adept at exploiting, yet this adeptness potentially causes the ASI to be worse off (less likely to exist in the first place), similar to what happens in my model.
Morpheus*10

So on the -meta-level you need to correct weakly in the other direction again.

I used Alex Turners entire shortform for my prompt as context for gpt-4 which worked well enough to make the task difficult for me but maybe I just suck at this task.

3Olli Järviniemi
Thanks for the link, I wasn't aware of this. I find your example to be better than my median modification, so that's great. My gut reaction was that the example statements are too isolated facts, but on reflection I think they are actually decent. Developmental psychology is not a bad article choice for the exercise. (I also find the examples hard, so it's not just you. I also felt like I on average underestimated the difficulty of spotting the modifications I had made, in that my friends were less accurate than I unconsciously expected. Textbook example of hindsight bias.) Ultimately, though, I would like this exercise to go beyond standard calibration training  ("here's a binary statement, assign a probability from 0% to 100%"), since there are so many tools for that already and the exercise has potential for so much more. I'm just not yet sure how to unleash that potential.

By the way, if you want to donate to this but thought, like me, that you need to be an “accredited investor” to fund Manifund projects, that only applies to their impact certificate projects, not this one.

My point is more that 'regular' languages form a core to the edifice because the edifice was built on it, and tailored to it

If that was the point of the edifice, it failed successfully, because those closure properties made me notice that visibly pushdown languages are nicer than context-free languages, but still allow matching parentheses and are arguably what regexp should have been built upon.

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