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I think this scenario still seems unlikely in the sense that there would be more actors, but in general the story convais a very important risk. so thumbs up to this block post

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I am a bit surprised about one of them still being a friend of yours. Do you in a sense forgive him because I don't know it wasn't too painful or him being not aware of what he was doing? My intuition was kind of the amount of trauma might be about the amount of pain. If it's really painful one can of cause get very traumatised as you also point out, it would have been diferent if it would have been very violent

1RationalElf
(Idk why I'm replying to this 2 years later). I forgave him for what I think are pretty normal reasons to forgive someone. A combination (1) of he's been a good friend in many respects over the years and so has a bunch of "credit" and I wanted to find a path to our relationship continuing, (2) nothing like that ever happened again so I believe it was really aberrant and unlucky or he took it really seriously and changed, (3) like I said above it wasn't that harmful to me and seemed less harmful than a lot of stuff a lot of other people do so it seemed like it should be in the "forgivable actions" reference class.  If I'd been the only woman in the world I probably would have forgiven him more quickly but I felt some need to punish him extra on behalf of the women who would have suffered more from what he did to men than I did. 

I am no expert in law, but to some extent we treat rape and killing someone similar. I don't know if the way I think is just fucked up or it is really this way, but breaking someone's leg and rape are probably more comparable to each other than rape and murder. So I would like to add that in my opinion even the legal code is punishing rape pretty harsh more comparable to murder than comparable to breaking someone's leg.

Yeah that sums up my problem 

I like cars, windows out of comfort. To deal with Linux you need to know more about computation than I know. Which would probably give you utility, but I at least don’t see any immediate utility for my personal life. I like cars mainly because I am more secure and faster with them than with a bike. Also I just don’t enjoy physical activity. Given having enough money I don’t care companies screwing me in small for me insignificant aspects 

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I think there is totally irrational fear going on in society on vaccines. First of all it is really hard to develope a vaccine that is more dangerous than the infection itself. There have been vaccines that were incredibly dangerous to take in the early 19th century and some vaccines in the early 20th century could kill you too, but they would kill you in one of 10 000 cases. But this vaccine can’t kill you under any circumstances. Phizer vaccine will get ineffective if it’s too warm which means nothing will happen if you let it wait outdoors in warm tempe... (read more)

I agree with the first statement of yours. But I disagree with the second. As I stated in my text I think that morality is determined by conflicting emotions. If your morality is build around the wish to help and cultural guilt feelings both motivations will end up in being in conflict with each other. I would however agree that that a axiomatic approach in your sense where you choose the axioms also based on where they will lead you down the rabbit hole makes sense in other fields of philosophy or if the aim of once moral philosophy is achieving rationality above arriving at the right morality 

That’s true, but is that also your opinion?

To be totally honest most of the academic philosophical discussions confuse me in several ways. I am not sure my position can be called extreme moral subjectivism. I for example know you can define justice. And a certain action can be according to that definition just or not. Hence justice exists. But it exists because humans define the idea of justice. Hence killing someone would not be just. The idea of justice however is of interest because our utility perception holds it necessary to create notions of justice towards satisfying or wish to help or towar... (read more)

1TAG
You seem to be assuming that moral philosophy has to work in a maths-like way, where you start from definitions and axioms. But a lot of people like to start from beliefs about what sort of things are widely believed to be good and bad, and work back from the examples to general principles.

It doesn’t make killing people moral for most people but for a nazi it is moral to kill the Jews to give an extreme example. Or another example you hate your boss you would like to kill him, but killing him would make you feel guilty. So you measure your expected utility and decide. But I would really Appreciate if you would articulate your view more because I am not sure I totally understood you

4TAG
If extreme moral subjectivism is true, that would be the case. Most people find extreme moral subjectivism to be false, and consider killing people to be wrong. I was appealing to common intuitions. How do you know that extreme moral subjectivism is true? You title states that you are confused. If you in fact know that moral subjectivism is the one true system of ethics, how can you be confused? Of course, the Nazi believes that it is moral to kill the jew. Maybe the "...for X" clause indicates a mere belief. But you can't disprove a true fact by pointing out that someone believes differently.

Thank you for your comment. To some extent I hoped for some kind of constructive criticism of this sort. 
 

first, strictly speaking i think rationality in humans will cause them to lack a precise moral system, precisely because our moral feelings (guilt, shame, pleasure in helping someone) are systems that stand in conflict to each other. Hence a consistent moral system cannot regulate our moral systems efficiently. 

your second point or observation is something I am agreeing with. which is why I am advocating a moral system that isn’t strictl... (read more)

I agree. But knowledge was abundant for him too. What wasn’t abundant was critical thinking. And this was the problem from the start

I have the same problem. But I kind of focus on my goals and don’t care so much about what other people say do or recommend. I also doubt that learning about rationality changed you. It was caring about rationality. Because I cared about it most of the time quiet deeply and I was a bit like that all the time. Find people like yourself and if there are no people like yourself just do what you enjoy. And to a certain extent you can enjoy irrational people. They have often some resemblance of humor. Also we are probably not totally rational. 

1Emiya
I know I'm not totally rational, most of my anger was coming from my own cognitive missteps that I was explicitly warned against while studying rationality. I also knew that I wasn't perfect before, I think my anger came out when I witnessed rationality dropping below what I thought were unjustifiable levels (because I was failing to understand what could be messing up other people's cognitive skills or how they could have had so few to start with).  I can hear my thoughts and I can see they have changed. I'm performing all kind of mental operations that I wasn't doing before, so the way my brain produces beliefs has changed. Also, I was caring about rationality a lot before going in the second phase of my training. I don't think I care more now, just that I know better about it and I can see irrationality more clearly.   You are right about the fact that my "caring about rationality" so much was the fuel for my change, I wouldn't have applied myself this hard if I didn't just cared so much about finally having a way to be a lot smarter.

Which gives this person who is asking nothing. Just do what is fun for you wound be a better advice

Okay not knowing your friend I think she could do following: 

premise one. God probably exists

premise two. I want to believe in him

conclusion I believe in god. That’s it. 

of course it’s weird but if you really want to believe it works. For me and you this isn’t enough. But for her it seems to be

On the side window there is an airbag too in my car but you are right 

You are right death is only the enemy if your life has minimal suffering and somewhat enough pleasure.

2Dagon
And that insight means the Repugnant Conclusion applies to safety measures and life extension.  If interventions that reduce risk ALSO reduce value, the clear desirable end-state is maximum duration of minimum worth.

Wait what the hell are we talking about. For what do we have airbags in cars? Or is there another reason For a helmet?

2James_Miller
In an accident something from your car could hit you in the head even if you have an airbag.  For example, the collusion could cause your head to hit a side window

i don’t know if you have that much choice over living satisfied or unsatisfied. I think my life satisfaction might probably increase without my covid fear. But everyone is different. 

The death is part of life thing seems to me to be a wise thing to say. But I don’t agree. Death is the ultimate enemy. I would rather lose my sight permanently and for eternity than to die. But that is me. Concerning the quality over quantity thing I would say that it’s a question of circumstance. If you have a happy life. You want to increase the quantity if you have a mixed life probably you would want to increase the quality. I myself think I might be an exception in the sense that I am not being affected hugely by the decrease of socializing. I didn’t socialize much before the covid situation. 

3Stuart Anderson
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i agree, but how would you calculate tolerable death risks? Where would you draw the line? 

Okay at least I know what it is referring to so I don’t feel like a retard for not knowing the short form

I knew this study of people thinking they are good drivers, which could mean everything, but not that they view themselves as cautious drivers. But I red your comment anyways 

2James_Miller
The helmet I linked to is light and doesn't block your vision so I don't see how it could do any harm.  It would do a lot of good if you were wearing it when your head collided with something.  

I started to do sports in my room. And concerning social interaction I talk to people on dating apps and relatives on the phone. However I probably talk less than 15 minutes to someone per day. Also probably I should have mentioned before a big motivation in life for me is to live excessively long. I am new to this community what is EA standing for?

2Lukas_Gloor
Effective altruism.
3Teerth Aloke
Effective Altruism.

What is your expected death risk if you catch it. I tried to determine mine but I ended up with a risk expectation somewhere between 0,4 and 0,001 percent. This estimation was influenced mainly by conflicting data and insecurity about how to account for absent risk factors 

1AnthonyC
Yes, pretty much my estimate as well. Given the rarity and brevity of my contact with anyone outside my household and the level of cases in my region, my risk of infection in the first place remains quite low as well. Overall, even at the high end, I don't see how covid risk increases my total risk of death my more than 50%, which given my age is still low enough that I don't feel a need to take all possible precautions. I felt differently in March to May when there was even less known about what the pandemic. At some point, though, covid precautions run up against other needs (physical, mental, and emotional), and for me taping my mask to my face would cross that threshold.

For a human being a view can be right, wrong or as a third option the energy you would need to put in deciding if something is right or wrong is high to the extent that that it would not make sense to go all the way trying to come up with an answer. This is exactly the case with establishing a V value. Unless you are all knowing, hence a god. Therefore given the means humans have, what they are doing is not quite that irrational. You can not be rational beyond your means. You can not say a human is irrational because he doesn’t fly away if he sees a lion. ... (read more)

I have a bit of the same reaction to that. You can know all the stuff mentioned here and I will read it again but if you don’t have the instinct to ask yourself this simple question it will not matter.

Why do we not become a political party and build a rational world government. Or a less wrong world government ?

6Kaj_Sotala
One would have to compete with the existing parties, which in e.g. the US is basically hopeless. There are countries where smaller parties have more of a chance, but even there it's a huge amount of work, and LW types are generally not the kind who would enjoy or excel at politics. Also LW users have a variety of political positions rather than having any unified ideology. If one does want to have political influence, supporting or joining an existing party lets you leverage their existing resources while allowing you to specialize in the politics-things that you are good at, without needing to recreate everything from scratch. 

Hold on. The part about humans being irrational is a bit problematic in my view. I agree they are sometimes irrational but I think your assumptions are too strong. First of all by engaging in all those things to maximize V you would need to put extremely much energy and you are not even sure you would succeed. Besides maximizing V is not just maximizing something but also minimizing pain to some extent your model of the hyper rational person would not be a human. Because pain would not exist for him. A normal person would be totally bored in pain by perusi... (read more)

2Stuart_Armstrong
"within the limits of their intelligence" can mean anything, excuse any error, bias, and failure. Thus, they are not rational, and (form one perspective) very very far from it.

I am not sure if this would solve the issue for you, but I try to make passive income towards not being dependent on work, so that I have the freedom to do what I want. But I am really not sure this would solve it because I think you pointed out that even wealth can be a limitation. It depends how much time you spend to maintain in it and how successful you are with it

I actually agree with many of your ideas and I think the things you are doing and your approach will show results and work, but there is one huge problem that is making me never go so far to actually change my behavior which makes me end up behaving as I am. I just don’t feel comfortable if I act. Before long I will end up having no respect for the girl I am dating and if she shows interest in me I would know she does not like me but the image I present her. Also implicitly you end up showing more regard for a stranger you don’t know than for yourself, bec... (read more)

2Lukas_Gloor
I think that's a great trait to have and I'd strongly recommend keeping it. If you can find enough things you like about yourself (and maybe have also worked on yourself to that end), you can also acquire genuine confidence in this way that feels way more robust than acting. Maybe you've thought about this already, but I'd flag that some people (and more women than men) don't themselves compartmentalize so much between "just sex" and "romance". Humans have some degree of sexual dimorphism around attraction (e.g., "demisexuality" is rare among men but not that uncommon among women). So, the habit you mention and the way you phrase it might substantially decrease the pool of otherwise compatible partners.  With the phrasing, I'd be worried that what many people might take away from your paragraph is not so much "This person cares about avoiding situations where they'd be incentivized to act inauthentically, therefore they prefer prostitutes over dating people with whom conversations don't feel meaningful", but rather "Something about intelligence, therefore hookers".  The mismatch in psychologies is harder to address than the phrasing, and maybe that just means you don't think you're a good match to others who view the topic differently – it really depends on what feels right all things considered. Just to be clear, I don't necessarily mean "view it differently" on moral grounds. For instance, I don't think extraverted people are immoral, but I'd feel weird and maybe too insecure with a partner who was too extroverted. Similarly, some women will feel weird and insecure if their partner has too much of a "men are bad/threatening" psychology, whether or not they think it's immoral. So finding other ways to meet the same needs could make sense if one worries about the pool of potential soulmates already being small enough, and if one places value on some of the normative intuitions, like importance of emotional connection during intimacy with a partner and not wanti

I think the amount of effort would would be too high for a masks that would end up being unpractical. It would not filter aerosols reliably and breathing comfort would also be undermined. Also those masks aren’t designed to be used as much as we do know. That’s my theory. But you might be right that it would make sense to do that.

I think you overestimate two things at least. First there is still doubt about if the amount of entering virus is that predicting of the outcome. And I think you overestimate your control on how much you are able to control the amount of Virus entering your body. And I am not sure if being exposed to low quantities of virus will have any health benefit on you.

1AnthonyC
Yes, I'm aware of and agree with all of that. I don't have very high confidence in any of my assumptions and don't believe I have anything like "control" but I'm comfortable with my current risk profile, given my behavior and the stats in my region. Under current conditions I estimate that my taking additional precautions beyond what I now do, such as taping a mask on, would not be a net positive for my or anyone else's well-being.

I agree with everything mentioned in this post. However one could give examples of placed in which the things you mentioned wouldn’t necessarily apply. I do think you could if you see human society as a unity give objective values of a tree or a commodity. Of course the objective value would then never remain the same, because conditions would change, and also it would still have nothing to do with the inherent value. Which is as you pointed out not existing. Also there is a darker dimension to all you mentioned. What would be the value of a human being. s... (read more)