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Sorry, I confused something (not about the median, but about the 400). Thanks for illustrating.

729.1 + 3546.2 (90, 200, 400) [n=241]

 

About the Tokyo estimates: I assume that the (90, 200, 400) need to be corrected. But I misunderstand something.

2Screwtape
No, I think that's correct.  There's 107 people who answered above 200, 21 who answered exactly 200, and 113 people who answered below 200. The second quartile (aka the median) is 200. But nobody guessed a negative number, so the people who guessed low aren't pulling the mean down that much. Meanwhile 33 people guessed 1000 or higher, and they can yank the mean a lot without doing that much to the median. If you're asking people to generate numbers, you tend to get whole number quartiles because nobody guesses there's 100.5 stations. Imagine a the set [1,1,1,2,2,2,2,100,100]. The average is ~23.444, but the median is 2.  Or have I misunderstood the thing that you think needs to be corrected?

What is the current status of CFAR? The website seems like it is inactive, which I find surprising given that there were four weekend workshops in 2022 that CFAR wanted to use for improving its workshops.

Musk recently wrote an opinion piece for the German newspaper Welt, calling on voters to vote for the far-right AfD party in the upcoming election. And now it seems that the article is practically the direct result of asking Grok for such an opinion piece. Is the way you produce such an opinion piece relevant? Possibly, because you might produce generic, cliched text that way and not realize how little you know. If so, efitors should realize that, of course.

What are recommendable essays discussing how to write essays?

Somewhat related as data points:

  • „A total of 565 studies from 80 different countries or regions were included in the final analysis. Postpartum depression was found in 17.22% (95% CI 16.00–18.51) of the world’s population.“ https://www.nature.com/articles/s41398-021-01663-6
  • „Many women experience labour-related and childbirth-related morbidity in the medium-to-long term after childbirth (ie, beyond 6 weeks postnatally). Available data show the most prevalent conditions are dyspareunia (35%), low back pain (32%), urinary incontinence (8–31%), anxiety (9–24%),
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I think I did not assume anything away. I pointed out that the theory of comparative advantage rests on assumptions, in particular autonomy. If someone can just force you to surrender your production (without a loss of production value), he will not trade with you (except maybe if he is nice).

Exactly. But then what does "curiosity" signal? Not laziness (as suggested in the post), but the opposite, right? Just asking seems the lazier version.

"But nowadays curiosity was déclassé. It suggested laziness (why not just ask it?)…"

I think that does not work. Asking is easy, so asking is the lazy option.

4Viliam
Compare to asking your colleague something that could be found by 10 seconds of googling. These days, you are supposed to google first. In ten years, you will be supposed to ask an AI for the explanation first, which for many people will also be the last step; and for the more curious ones the expected second and third steps will be something like "try a different prompt", "ask additional questions", "switch to a different AI", etc.
5MondSemmel
How about "idle musings" or "sense of wonder", rather than "curiosity"? I remember a time before I had instant access to google whenever I had a question. Back then, a thought of "I wonder why X" was not immediately followed by googling "why X", but sometimes instead followed by thinking about X (incl. via "shower thoughts"), daydreaming about X, looking up X in a book, etc. It's not exactly bad that we have search engines and LLMs nowadays, but for me it does feel like something was lost, too.

Reminds me of this: "If you watch Stranger Things with your kids, there’s a good chance they think the strangest things of all are not the slimy monsters without faces but the kids riding their bikes without parental supervision."

What’s your favorite book, other than ‘the answer to a potential security question so I’m not going to put the answer online’?

 

This does not have so much to do with child books vs books for grown-ups, though. I remember when everyone was reading Dan Brown and I know people who blamed themselves for it because it wasn't considered real literature.

Skill in childcare is not going to correlate with ‘tests of cognitive ability’

 

This is a bold claim and would require evidence, at least according to my priors. It is a much stronger claim than saying that the cost-benefit-ratio is worse for requiring whatever educational achievement or IQ requirement someone might demand.  

But certainly paying grandparents to do childcare seems way better than paying daycare centers to do childcare?

 

Well, who knows? Just from a bang-for-the-buck perspective, the answer depends on how much you have to pay grandparents for childcare, how much you have to pay kindergartners, how much quality differs and how many children each would supervise. As people have children at higher age, grandparents are older and probably cannot take as much stress as they could decades ago; as families are smaller, grandparents will take care of one or two chil... (read more)

Lenore Skenazy: Sometimes some lady will call 911 when she sees a girl, 8, riding a bike. So it goes these days.

BUT the cops should be able to say, “Thanks, ma’am!”…and then DO NOTHING.

Instead, a cop stopped the kid, then went to her home to confront her parents.

 

That seems weird. Where I live (not in the US), many parents feel bad if their children are not able to ride a bike when they are 4 or 5 years old. (Of course we do not let them ride their bikes alone / in the traffic until they are older.)

4AnthonyC
Of course it's weird. My dad, at 11, was allowed to ride his bike all around Queens, NY, with a friend. I, even at 17 in the early 2000s, was not allowed to ride my bike unsupervised in our own cul-de-sac in the suburbs, let alone to actually go anywhere. Sanity and sense have nothing to do with it.

Maybe the numerator of the score should remain at the initial karma until at least 4 people have voted, for example.

Thanks. I dud not see any, but I will check again. Maybe I also accidentally set them when i tried to check whether I had set any...

I will see whether I can make a useful one later on. Still, my main point is about the sorting score as stated in that referenced footnote: if indeed a post karma is divided by whatever, then I expect all 0 karma post to appear at the same position, and I expect the first person who votes to have a strong influence leading to herding, in particularif the personvotes the post to zero or lower. Right?

2kave
Yep, if the first vote takes the score to ≤ 0, then the post will be dropped off the latest list. This is somewhat ameliorated by: (a) a fair number of people browsing https://lesswrong.com/allPosts (b) https://greaterwrong.com having chronological sort by default (c) posts appearing in recent discussion in order that they're posted (though I do wonder if we filter out negative karma posts from recent discussion) I often play around with different karma / sorting mechanisms, and I do think it would be nice to have a more Bayesian approach that started with a stronger prior. My guess is the effect you're talking about isn't a big issue in practice, though probably worth a bit of my time to sample some negative karma posts.

The list is very long, so it is hard to make a screenshot. Now with some hours of distance, I reloaded the homepage, tried again, and one 0 karma post appeared. (Last time, it did definitely not, I searched very rigorously.)

However, according to the mathematical formula, it still seems to me that all 0 karma post should appear at the same position, and negative karma posts below them?

2habryka
We have a few kinds of potential bonus a post could get, but yeah, something seems very off about your sort order, and I would really like to dig into it. A screenshot would still be quite valuable.

No, all tags are on default weight.

2kave
I had a quick look in the database, and you do have some tag filters set, which could cause the behaviour you describe
2habryka
Could you send me a screenshot of your post list and tag filter list? What you are describing sounds really very weird to me and something must be going wrong.

I don't think so. But where could I check that?

2kave
Click on the gear icon next to the feed selector 

Very helpful, thanks! So I assume the parameter b is what you call starting age?

I ask because I am a bit confused about the following: 

  • If you apply this formula, it seems to me that all posts with karma = 0 should have the same score, that score should be higher than the score of all negative-karma posts and negative-karma posts should get a higher score if they are older.
  • All karma>0 posts should appear before all karma=0 posts and those should appear before all negative-karma posts.

However, when I expand my list a lot until it íncludes four posts ... (read more)

2kave
A quick question re: your list: do you have any tag filters set?

The source for this is an economics paper using old-school macro techniques to measure the correlation between life expectancy and the unemployment rate.

Note that the policy conclusion of the paper includes "It is worth clarifying that with this claim, we do not want to suggest that policymakers should refrain from ordering lockdowns, as necessary lifesaving measures, but rather that, if they decide to do so, they should provide alongside enhanced health and economic support for the most vulnerable portions of the population."

Moreover, note that the s... (read more)

Is there an explanation somewhere how the recommendations algorithm on the homepage works, i.e. how recency and karma or whatever are combined?

7kave
The "latest" tab works via the hacker news algorithm. Ruby has a footnote about it here. I think we set the "starting age" to 2 hours, and the power for the decay rate to 1.15.

"There probably is an evolutionary adaptation that influences (at least probabilistically) the child's sex depending on the social situation."

Hm, if this were the case, I would expect either someone had already found evidence for it, or there were at least some plausible mechanism?

2Viliam
Some guesses at a possible mechanism: * sperms carrying Y and X chromozome are slightly different (because X is much larger than Y); woman's opinions on her situation and her partner are reflected by her hormones; hormones might make woman's reproductive system somewhat more friendly/hostile towards the desired/undesired sperms. * sperms with Y are smaller and faster, so they have a greater chance to fertilize the egg, but the male fetus also has a greater chance to be spontaneously aborted; stress (a predictor of bad future) makes the woman more likely to have a spontaneous abortion.

There is a difference between these two problems: aging is possibly solved by regular market forces because people have a willingness to pay for buying a solution for themselves.

2AnthonyC
Exactly

Yes, it can be this simple, says new paper.

 

The link does not seem to work.

Gaby, it seems, cannot imagine any reason one might think that children are good or that the country would be better off with more of them. They couldn’t mean what they say about demographic collapse and our dependence on growth. They couldn’t be genuine in their values. It must be a political takeover, or racism.

 

To understand either Gaby Del Valle's reaction or your reaction to Gaby Del Valle's reaction, it would be helpful if you wrote anything about the conference. Judging based on my prior, it is likely that people organizing such a conference ar... (read more)

0Screwtape
Thank you!

In your opinion, why do kids need such devices to get that independence if kids had that independence before those devices existed?

2jefftk
In general, at any given level of child maturity and parental risk tolerance, devices like this watch let children have more independence. What has changed over the last few decades is primarily a large decrease in parental risk tolerance. I don't know what's driving this, but it's probably downstream from increasing wealth, lower child mortality, and the demographic transition.

Are there good and comprehensive evaluations of covid policies? Are there countries who really tried to learn, also for the next pandemic?

Here was the combined effect

Where do the numbers come from?

Having read something about self-driving cars actually being a thing now, I wonder how the trolley-problem thing (and whatever other ethics problems come up) was solved in the relevant regulation?

Bryan Caplan: Conformity drives a lot of fertility behavior. The main driver of the Baby Boom really was, “Everyone else is having big families; we should, too.”

 

Is that just a claim or does he provide evidence for that?

  • Except then we started shaming ‘incorrectly’ having children directly.
  • We have also continuously raised the bar on what counts as ‘incorrect.’

This is not so obviously correct, or at least the "bar" seems multidimensional. Some decades ago, it was a shame for an unmarried couple to have children, and in particular it was a great shame for a single mother to have children. At least where I live that has changed.

The problem is that the shaming we used to do mostly did have an underlying societal purpose.

This claim would be stronger with some examples.

"Most people who want them all fired would be totally fine paying the extra salaries indefinitely. "

That is likely wrong, but in any case it's just a claim and should be phrased like that.

"Stephanie Murray reports that the village thing can still be done, and in particular has pulled off a ‘baby swapping’ system that periodically pools child care so parents can have time for themselves."

Maybe there is more detail in the linked blog but just from this post it sounds like a reinvention of Kindergarten.

Offering $7,500 total is likely on the high end of what is practical before people start inefficiently gaming the system.

What does that mean? The wikipedia article Child benefit lists several examples of child benefit systems that yield more than $7,500.

The most important fact about politics in 2024 is that across the world, it's a terrible time to be an incumbent. For the first time this year since at least World War II, the incumbent party did worse than it did in the previous election in every election in the developed world. ...

What influence does the exclusion of "years where fewer than five countries had elections" in the graph have?

2Eric Neyman
I don't really know, sorry. My memory is that 2023 already pretty bad for incumbent parties (e.g. the right-wing ruling party in Poland lost power), but I'm not sure.

Does this question require that there is only one big filter per species?

I appreciate that you posted a response to my question. However, I assume there is some misunderstanding here.

Zvi notes that he will not "be engaging with any of the arguments against this, of any quality" (which suggests that there are also good or relevant arguments). Zvi includes the statement that "AI is going to kill everyone", and notes that he "strongly disagrees". 

As I asked for "arguments related to or a more detailed discussion" of these issues, you mention some people you call "random idiots" and state that their arguments are "batshit insa... (read more)

So you think that looking up "random idiots" helps me find "arguments related to or a more detailed discussion about this disagreement"?

1Richard_Kennaway
No, I just threw that in. But there is the VHEM, and apparently serious people who argue for anti-natalism. Short of those, there are also advocates for "degrowth". I suspect the reason that Zvi declined to engage with such arguments is that he thinks they're too batshit insane to be worth giving house room, but these are a few terms to search for.

In Fertility Rate Roundup #1, Zvi wrote   

"This post assumes the perspective that more people having more children is good, actually. I will not be engaging with any of the arguments against this, of any quality, whether they be ‘AI or climate change is going to kill everyone’ or ‘people are bad actually,’ other than to state here that I strongly disagree." 

Does anyone of you have an idea where I can find arguments related to or a more detailed discussion about this disagreement (with respect to AI or maybe other global catastrophic risks; t... (read more)

-1Richard_Kennaway
Look up anti-natalism, and the Voluntary Human Extinction Movement. And random idiots everywhere saying "well maybe we all deserve to die", "the earth would be better off without us", "evolution made a huge mistake in inventing consciousness", etc.

Expecting that, how do you prepare?

8ChristianKl
One way would be to now think up ways how you can monetize the existing of effective digital agents. There are probably a bunch of business opportunities.

It is an interesting question how justified this stereotype is, given that many regulations aim at creating a single market and reducing trade barriers.

Comparing EU growth to the US is hard for different reasons, for instance demography but also the decarbonization efforts of the EU.

I know the internal European discourse, which is why I think depicting politicians in Europe as being mostly impervious to "pro-growth ideas" seems like a strawman. It is mainstream in the EU to try to find ways for higher economic growth rates. Everybody is talking about deregulation, but there are very different ideas what kind of policies would lead to higher growth rates.

2Martin Sustrik
Agreed. But the popular narrative is that all the EU bureaucrats want is to regulate and then regulate some more. The sentence in question is supposed to say that it is not necessarily so, in accord with what you are saying.

are not completely impervious to pro-growth ideas

 

Depicting "eurocrats" as mostly impervious to "pro-growth ideas" seems like a strawman.

2Martin Sustrik
Sorry, this is an internal European discourse about the European economy slowing down compared to the US. The "eurocrat" wording is a bit tongue-in-cheek thing. The reality is more about the coordination problems associated with scaling down the regulation. Compare the news like this: "Macron Warns EU ‘Could Die’ Within 3 Years Due to Overregulation, Welfare Burden, Underinvestment" https://www.theepochtimes.com/world/macron-warns-eu-could-die-within-3-years-due-to-overregulation-social-welfare-burden-underinvestment-5734718?rs=SHRNCMMW

This stuff is scary: I've seen degrowthers

It is unclear how strongly related such degrowthers are to the beyond-growth conference people used as an example in the previous sentence.

European parliament even hosted a degrowth conference.

 

The linked abstract does not contain the word "degrowth". The title is "Beyond growth: Pathways towards sustainable prosperity in the EU", the abstract is relatively unclear but - among other things - seems to criticize GDP as a measure, and talk positively of "research and innovation". The executive summary of the study that can be found there seems to talk positively of delivering "greener and more sustainable growth through technological or social innovations" and of "decoupling of economic gro... (read more)

Europe has become known as a hub of degrowth.

 

It is unclear what this claims is supposed to mean. The characters "europ" do not appear in the Conclusions of the linked article. It is not clear what the fact that some authors of papers covering "degrowth" come from Europe, whatever that means in the specific paper, is supposed to prove.

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