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It's really only applicable to forms of cheating which can be countered by non-cheaters ganging up on the cheaters. If the cheat causes an automatic win in every game, the scrub argument against its banning doesn't apply.

But I agree, I was assuming iteration. Obviously, the scrubbiness of the rule against unbreakable alliances (and thus the cheatiness of the tactic), would depend on metagame circumstances.

Doesn't iteration cause this strategy to be balanced out? After it becomes clear that two players have an unbreakable alliance, it's in the best interest of the rest of the players to destroy those two first in all future games.

This passage from the TV Tropes page on the Scrub is relevant:

The mistake the Scrub often makes is making up rules too soon. The Metagame can often turn an apparent imbalance on its head. A lower tier character can become a higher tier one, or vice versa. Or something that seemed initially very unbalanced can be countered with tim

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6Kingreaper
In Risk, iteration will cause the player who always rolls 4-6 on all their dice to lose, because everyone will think they're an annoying cheater. Doesn't make it not cheating to use dice which only have 4-6 written twice. If you're playing a different game to the one people agreed to play, even if the game you're playing can be considered as metagame balanced, you're cheating.
1MichaelHoward
The games described in the post were online - they're normally played against different opponents each time. The game that's about to start is only planned to happen once. Only if iteration was a factor, and even then, that argument could be applied to most forms of cheating. Only if iteration was a factor, and even then, only in a sense that could be applied to most forms of cheating.

I'm surprised that you didn't bring up what I find to be a fairly obvious problem with Cryonics: what if nobody feels like unthawing you? Of course, not having followed this dialogue I'm probably missing some equally obvious counter to this argument.

3Bo102010
If I were defending cryonics, I would say that a small chance of immortality beats sure death hands-down. It sounds like Pascal's Wager (small chance at success, potentially infinite payoff), but it doesn't fail for the same reasons Pascal's Wager does (Pascal's gambit for one religion would work just as well for any other one.) - discussed here a while back.

"But isn't Eliezer suggesting, in this very post, that we should use uncommon justified beliefs as an indicator that people are actually thinking for themselves as opposed to copying the beliefs of the community? I would assume that the standards we use to judge others should also apply when judging ourselves.

On the other hand, what you're saying sounds reasonable too. After all, crackpots also disagree with the consensus of a respected community."

Eliezer didn't say that we should use "disagreeing with the consensus of a respected community" as an indicator of rationality. He said that we should use disagreeing with the consensus of one's own community as an indicator of rationality.