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wwa30

Wearing the Patronus isn't any more dubious than casting it inside of Hermione to revive her. You're right about stunners instead of AKs of course, but that can be blocked by a thin invisible tranfigured shield (air into glass, since apparently he can transfigure arbitrary atomic structures). Transfiguration is wordless and he has a wand. I mean, this isn't anywhere near as deus-ex-machina as half of the Azkaban escape anyway.

1TobyBartels
Read a comment above; he cannot transfigure air.
wwa40

"Expecto Patronum", at which point Death-Eaters will fire an utterly futile barrage of AKs. Voldy still can't fire directly at Harry due to resonance. Gun is not as much concern if you move fast enough and considering Voldy is some distance away. Gives Harry enough elbow room to get to his nearby (?) Pouch, Cloak and Time-Turner with 1 more hour on it. At this point we're sorta free of any serious constraints.

3WalterL
So the Patronum is between Harry and each and every one of the death eaters? That seems dubious, unless he's wearing it like a suit. Also, they been instructed to use different attacks, so unless the Patronus blocks everything I don't think it'd stop everything that would come his way.
wwa160

And the entire HPMOR fanbase has just now googled the concept. Promotion of ideas is what HPMOR's purpose is, after all.

8Bugmaster
Product placement at its finest...
wwa00

Perfect mathematical reflection, free of Gödel's incompleteness theorem.

2lfghjkl
That's not what reflective consistency means.
wwa00

checkable partial execution traces with cryptographically strong bounds on honest vs fraudulent work

You may want to talk to these guys: http://www.scipr-lab.org/pub (SNARKs for C)

And to me as well, in due time.

0[anonymous]
I am aware of their work, being as I am a bitcoin core developer working on the related areas of privacy enhancement and script extensions. What I was alluding to is not pairing cryptography though as that is much too slow for this application, and ultimately not interesting in the context of self-modifying programs. It is something much simpler having to do with one way hashes of the result then pruning the execution trees in such a way that cannot be cheated within the bounds of execution time, which can be compared with energu usage. in other words have the program give a concise summary of its execution thought processes which led to the result it gives in such a way that it can't be hiding things. what are you working on?
wwa530

I quit my job for one that I'm much less comfortable with, but with more room for long-term improvement.

In your face, risk aversion!

Congratulations for courage! It may also be a good time to make specific predictions about the "long-term improvement" (specific gains, specific time) and evaluate them later.

wwa70

Assuming somebody would want to take over a bankrupt company with liabilities as nasty as not-quite-dead humans. The liabilities of a bankrupt cryo company would vastly exceed the assets. Also, you can't get rid of those liabilities, not even part of them, in any way which isn't a PR disaster.

1Lumifer
Actually, these are very-much-dead humans, with the proviso that in the future it's possible they might become undead, erm, I mean resurrected, erm, I mean not by Jesus, erm, you know what I mean :-D
wwa80

Frozen people are liabilities, not assets.

2James_Miller
Yes, but if a company has assets then in bankruptcy often both it's assets and some of its liabilities get transferred. Say Alcor goes bankrupt and a judge has to decide what to do with Alcor's bodies and its assets. The judge would be more likely to give the assets to an organization that was likely to preserve the bodies.
wwa130

Interesting. I'll look into that when/if I have some free time. In the meantime, may I suggest gamifying this at some point? Let MIRI organize a programming competition in Botworld, preferably with prizes. If this plays well, you'll get a lot of attention from some highly skilled hackers and maybe some publicity.

wwa30

A simple loop can alter a sizable fraction of the 'world' within short time. Thus no complex analysis of opponents never pays off (except for tests like 'is some opponent at this address').

It's not because a simple loop can alter a lot of space. It's because Core Wars world is crowded both in space and time. Make agents start a lightyear away from each other and/or make a communication/energy/matter bottleneck and all of a sudden it pays off to do a complex code analysis of your opponent!

5Gunnar_Zarncke
That's exactly the same thing oly phrased concrete vs. abstract. Thats an abstract formulation of my proposal to "Using a limit to the range of mov-instructions would have made a significant difference".
wwa120

I was going to start my comment by pointing out the silliness of your real estate system. Namely, that if people/society were really that fast to adapt, they would almost all work remotely by now. But on second thought, I think this part was actually intended as April Fools material.

Then I was going to say that the BDSM reference is somewhat distasteful, at least to some people. Not to mention it smells of internet exhibitionism, even if untrue. You could easily pick something better overall.

Then I'd say that while your education and medical care ideas are... (read more)

7BloodyShrimp
This seems unfair; it's an April Fool's joke/rant. It wasn't intended to lay out a complete path to fixing the world. (Also, "I had to quixotically try to start Earth down the 200-year road to the de'a'na est shadarak"...) Mine too, but not significantly. Everyone's allowed a few mistakes, and I kinda dismissed the specifics of the real estate system as not the main point--the main point is that a world run by people who approached actual rationality, looking closely at what would actually benefit people and actively trying to avoid suboptimal Nash equilibria, would be pretty damn good compared to what we have now.
8mwengler
In my opinion, that is a matter of taste. I personally like arrogance in very intelligent and creative people. It invites harsher criticism of their ideas by those around them, among other benefits. One of my favorite classes ever the Prof. began the term by telling us none of the textbooks were good enough so he would just be teaching the class. He went on to say "I guess you could say, 'moi, je suis le livre.' " This was arrogant on so many levels! It was a joy to come to class every day after that and see if his performance would live up to his arrogance. And when it did, it was a joy to be in such a great class. The class was Thermodyanamics and Statistical Mechanics at Graduate level. Essentially figure out the 3 laws of entropy starting with the equations of motion of individual particles, including the quantum effects. Yes, we worked out the thermodynamics of an electron gas, which is different than the thermodynamics of Helium nuclei because electrons are fermions and Helium nuclei are bosons. I have aspired to be "le livre" on things ever since. I've met the goal on some small areas of knowledge. Yes, EY's public fascination with BDSM is a ... wierd thing. But maybe we all have something to learn from that, and maybe it is something that can never be learned from someone who isn't arrogant.
0daimpi
Maybe this was intended (aka "think for yourself" ^^)
wwa00

They are somewhat high on the list of top black swan events, however.

wwa20

Thank you. I asked because I don't understand other people's attraction to personal details like this. Nothing specific to Satoshi or bitcoin.

wwa20

(This has, incidentally, been a good reminder of why I don't post my Satoshi research publicly, and generally limit my comments to debunking proposals.)

If you don't mind sharing, what was the reason for research, besides curiosity?

4gwern
The usual: curiosity; deriving security lessons; research practice; prolonged & severe irritation with the incompetence of other Satoshi hunters; the outside chance of undying renown & deathless fame. EDIT: Seth Robert furnishes a handy example of the crappy reasoning & rampant confirmation bias in such discussions: http://blog.sethroberts.net/2014/03/11/nick-szabo-is-satoshi-nakamoto-the-inventor-of-bitcoin/
wwa20

demirationalist - on one hand, something already above average, like in demigod. On the other, leaves the "not quite there" feeling. My second best was epirationalist

Didn't find anything better in my opinion, but in case you want to give it a (somewhat cheap) shot yourself... I just looped over this

wwa80

I think I disagree. System 1 doesn't care about any particular identity nor any particular action. It cares about general, somewhat vague emotions. To use one of you examples: system 1 will not care about watching TV all day. It will care about relax and entertainment. It will be equally happy if you play relaxing and entertaining computer games instead ... and you could pick those compatible with the "growth mindset"

6Rob Bensinger
I think it depends on whether by 'identity' we mean something conscious and deliberate, or something mostly unconscious and automatic. My 'identity' as a Californian, as someone who owns lots of black socks, etc. is pretty slow-system, since those are inert discursive facts that happen to occur to me when I think about myself. On the other hand, lots of other generalizations about me are mostly implicit, intuitive, emotional, etc., and they can guide or encapsulate my behavior without my noticing them. Identities are like moods, personality traits, etc.; they tie together large-scale patterns of experience, and consciously recognizing or endorsing them can reify them more, but isn't always necessary for them to be operational (or, as constructs, explanatory). My fast system doesn't like it when I sit and watch TV all day, because it doesn't want to see itself as a slacker. Does that mean I consciously reasoned through that process, and it's really a slow-system thing? No, because what I really mean is that there's a whole bunch of tiny in-the-moment aversions (a sense of listlessness, a tendency for transient sadness to stick around more, a missing sense of novelty+exhilaration+accomplishment, a lack of 'my interpersonal health bar is going up' feeling) that start accruing in the background when I veg.
wwa10

You guys left one possible loophole: Does "tanks will be involved in combat" mean actually firing shells?

1James_Miller
I would say "no" but there does have to be fighting because of the word "combat".
wwa00

Ture, not yet, at least. Would you agree though, that this could easily escalate out of proportion?

0Will_Sawin
Yes.
wwa20

It seems to me that the odds look so grave to you because you gloss over several steps during this potential escalation.

Have a look at this: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-02-28/ukraine-acting-president-says-russia-starts-aggression-against-country-russian-plane Original source: http://www.pravda.com.ua/rus/news/2014/02/28/7016674/

Posturing or not, if this info checks out then by existing treaties USA and UK are obliged to help Ukraine against Russia. You see, Ukraine gave up nukes in exchange for safety guarantees from Russia, UK and USA.

http://en.... (read more)

1Will_Sawin
None of those sound like they require military intervention?
wwa00

A skeptic doubts the senses give actual evidence, they doubt math ...

How many skeptics walk off the cliff expecting to continue walking? If you're skepticism is of the purely theoretical kind "sure, I doubt everything, but God (heh) forbid me act on these doubts" then I cannot help you either.

Besides, that's cherry-picking circularities. Let's go meta: don't you doubt your doubts? If you claim you can't calculate or measure the level of anything real because "that's axioms", what makes doubt in math/physics weaker than doubt in doubt in math/physics? And if none is weaker then the other, why don't walk off the cliff?

0Carinthium
Part one is ad hominem, and has no relation to the validity of the argument. As for part 2, the point is not that the world is certainly an illusion but that we don't know either way. Given that, meta-doubts are implied. For me personally, my posistion is that rationally there is no way out of skepticism but that I believe it false on religious style faith.
wwa00

how are said axioms to be justified?

This is how I'd answer a sceptic:

If I put two apples into a bag that previously had two apples, I can take four apples out of the bag. Thus, I believe that axioms on which basic arithmetic is based are "justified". By the same token I believe axioms of probability and I'm pretty sure you see a close approximation of a "fair coin" on a daily basis, not to mention more complex behaviors which probability theory predicts very well. If after that you're still skeptic of the correlation, I expect you to... (read more)

0Carinthium
No sceptic familiar with the Evil Demon Argument would agree that 2+2=4, as this assumes the mind remains undistorted which is part of what is under discussion. My belief is belief on probabilities on faith in the religious sense, rather than on evidence, as I do not believe such evidence exists. What you have is a giant circular argument, and therefore useless. A skeptic doubts the senses give actual evidence, they doubt math, and they doubt your axioms of probability. It is downright retarded to use one of those to prove the others.
wwa60

Bahahah. Your current neurochemical high will wear off in 2 days.

Current? The event happened months ago, I only wrote it down now, I hope it's obvious you can't keep this up 24/7. A silly example: I learned to put on and take off my jacket while walking the stairs. Saves me few seconds every time I go out. It's a habit now and, most importantly, it was fun to pick that habit up. It's boring to cleanup a desk. It's fun to try to cleanup a desk with only one hand within 20 seconds.

The story is just a feed for thought, it's up to the reader to figure out what works for him.

wwa00

How about an architect walking his clients though their soon-to-be house?

0passive_fist
What makes the Oculus Rift special in that regard? There have been numerous head-mounted VR solutions that have been able to do that for many years. Yet they have not seen any serious use for such purposes.
wwa130

The Severing Charm wouldn't bring down a tree, so he'd started partially Transfiguring cross-sections through the wood.

Quirell saw that. Partial transfiguration is not the power the dark lord knows not.

0mjr
I've pretty much assumed that cat to be out of the bag since the escape from Azkaban. Though he didn't see how Harry penetrated the wall, he could probably reason it out with decent probability. But sure, beside what Sheaman said about PT being already counterindicated, this does clinch it.
0Sheaman3773
http://hpmor.com/chapter/28 http://hpmor.com/chapter/86 Still, good catch.
wwa-10

I just used charity as an example; the same argument applies to taxes as well.

That does not follow. Why would I care about money I have no control over? Why would a politician care about efficiency over publicity? Why wouldn't the recipient try to take more than he needs? There's no incentive for anyone to do anything right.

wwa-10

Is that right?

Yes, that's correct. I'm arguing that redistribution in any form of giving "stuff" for free makes it worse by providing strong incentives to maintain status quo.

3A1987dM
Have you read Yvain's non-libertarian FAQ?
2TheOtherDave
Thanks for being clear about that. On your account does redistribution in the form of, for example, using my "stuff" to educate others in how to make better decisions necessarily make it worse?
wwa30

I can't shake off the impression that you're implicitly assuming the thesis. I'll try to answer what I can.

In this account, how did I get so much more healthy, wealthy, and educated than you are?

Why the implicit assumption that redistribution has a net positive impact here? Another implicit assumption here is that we're all born equal. Genetics aside, don't the children inherit the mindset of their close ones to a large degree? Aren't societies semi-stable, self-reinforcing, whatever their current wellbeing is? Africa is still poor, despite years of fo... (read more)

2TheAncientGeek
If your relative wealth is a result of genetics, not effort, do you still have an absolute moral claim on it? Well, I'm not an illtetrate farm labourer like my ancestors. Why would it have to? You can argue that people have a right to the opportunity of an education, irrespective of outcomes, and you can argue that educating people up to their potential has a nett positive effect. Neither argument requires education to lead to positive outcomes in every individual case. Western societies introduced universal free education over a century ago, and are now much richer.
2TheOtherDave
The question I asked was, in your scenario, what creates/maintains/justifies the disparity between us. Your answer seems to be that (genetics aside), in your scenario the root cause is innate advantages due to differences in early environment, which are themselves the result of self-reinforcing patterns in our societies, which causes me to make better decisions than you do. Is that right? (It's hard to tell, because you don't answer my question so much as you treat it as an unarticulated assertion with which you argue.)
wwa-20

Of course I won't argue against effective altruism or charity and I suppose charity is technically a kind of "wealth redistribution". However, it's different than taxes in one very important way: it's redistributing excess wealth after my own goals have been achieved, not before.

0TheAncientGeek
Is that still a clinching argument if redistribution can be justified consequentialistically?
5passive_fist
I just used charity as an example; the same argument applies to taxes as well. The only difference is that taxes are enforced. It's still a priority to ensure that taxes are given and used correctly. In many countries with welfare, for instance, to stay on welfare you are required to prove that you have been looking for a source of independent income. Now, scandals do happen, and they happen often, and I agree with you that it's an important priority to make sure that welfare is only used in a positive way. I would even support a limit on having children unless someone can prove they have the financial means to take care of them. This seems both humane and efficient.
wwa40

redistribution of wealth and other oppression-proofing liberal policies

You're a healthy, wealthy, educated person. Being educated, you know you shouldn't have more than, say 2 children, to be able to afford their education and ensure their good standard of living. You'll have first child at age 25+.

I'm poor and uneducated third-world citizen. Being uneducated I don't know how many children I can afford. Or I just don't care, don't think about it. I'll have my first child at age of 18.

Now you give me half of your wealth and now you can only afford one c... (read more)

2TheAncientGeek
Redistribution doesn't have to mean giving money. It can mean giving food, education, health care..it's not as if on-one has thought about this issue before.
2passive_fist
Effective charity is ensuring that the money will be used in a sane way. Hence all the discussion on this site about effective altruism.
2TheOtherDave
In this account, how did I get so much more healthy, wealthy, and educated than you are? Is there any way to do whatever that was to you, as well, or is it better to just let you die (or kill you)? Would it have similarly been better to let me die (or kill me) before doing whatever it was that made me so much more healthy, wealthy, and educated? How can we tell?
wwa20

Not necessarily. The brain pattern-matches continuous sensory experiences to something already known, which is discrete. I tend to think about it as rounding-to-nearest. Blood gradually transforming into water before your eyes doesn't make sense to the mind.

5hyporational
A common experience of this would be seeing a predator in the dark for example, and then realizing it's a tree branch. The pattern recognized changes instantly, although the view might not change at all.
wwa80

Yours is more spooky, but I had a similar experience.

In high school I had to get up early to be on time. In winter it meant waking up when there was still pitch black outside. Also, one teacher was exceptionally strict and would be angry at you for months if you were late or missed his class. So, when one day I woke up when there was fully bright outside I freaked out and jumped out of bed with a loud "F...F...F...". And then I woke up and it was pitch black outside. And then the alarm clock rang. I laid there for a while trying to figure out how the hell am I supposed to figure out whether I am awake or still dreaming. I didn't so I carried on ... maybe I'm still asleep, but at least I wasn't late.

gwern220

Man, I hate false awakenings. I would not infrequently have them in middle school and high school: I would dream about waking up ridiculously early, going to school, doing all the tests, suffering through the classes I didn't like, spending literally hours on the bus going to and from, and then I would wake up shortly before the bus came at 6:30AM and think to myself oh come onnnn...

wwa120

This has never occurred to me! Yes, this would be quite likely. On the same note: Shouting at hard drives

wwa220

I think you misinterpreted the article. The virus can't infect a healthy machine "through the air" (microphone). It can bridge air gaps in the sense that two already infected machines can setup network over microphone, which is orders of magnitude more likely than the former. BIOS infections have been done before, so ...

5Shmi
Yeah, they discuss this point. Still, even acoustic healing sounds rather hard, though not impossible.
wwa120

No, I was never able to repeat that experiment. However:

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Edit: phase of the moon bug

3DanielLC
That was my guess as well, except with "plug" instead of "cable".
wwa290

I had a large file to copy from my laptop to a friend. We were on a break between lectures - no external drive, wifi way too slow - so we used cable. The copy was taking a while so eventually we started making jokes about data flowing down the cable faster because of, you know, gravity. It didn't take long before we placed the receiving machine on the floor and... the speed increased. Not radically, but definitely more than what you'd expect from random fluctuations. We replicated the experiment three or four times, in both directions. Every time when the ... (read more)

gwern320

Both these computers were using hard drives, as in, rotating magnetic disks?

If so, then gura V oryvrir lbh jrer zreryl bofreivat gur vasyhrapr bs ivoengvbaf ba uneq qevir fcrrq. Orpnhfr uneq qevirf ebgngr fb snfg naq gur ernq-urnqf ner culfvpnyyl fb pybfr gb gur zntargvp zrqvn, ivoengvbaf pna pnhfr vffhrf be va rkgerzr pvephzfgnaprf yvxr 'qebccvat', qnzntr gur zrqvn. Fb uneq qevirf guebggyr onpx fcrrq. Gur qvssreraprf nera'g arprffnevyl uhtr ng beqvanel ivoengvba yriryf, ohg fgvyy erny: uggc://tvmzbqb.pbz/5535177/ivoengvba-vf-xvyyvat-uneq-qevir-fcrrqf

Jul q... (read more)

2passive_fist
Can you repeat the experiment?
wwa-10

The race to win the Singularity is over, and Google has won

Counter-argument: NSA has a track record of having Math advanced decades beyond public. Also, quantum computing should be within reach in 30 years... might be NSA as well, since it'd make a perfect crypto cracker.

wwa60

OK, I get it, this is supposed to be one of those self-help thoughts that are supposed to make you better off if you think them (suggestions for a name for such a thing, anyone?), regardless of whether they're actually true. Well... it doesn't work. My thoughts, roughly in order:

  • WARNING, manipulation / black arts

  • WARNING, causation != correlation

  • WARNING, opinion != fact

  • What about, say, good leaders? 5 people closest to one can't possibly be good leaders themselves because who'd they lead then?

  • WARNING, thesis likely literally false, seek metaphoric

... (read more)
2ModusPonies
Yes. I don't think so. It seems about as black as using the pomodoro technique to manipulate your basic impulses. Yes, but given the evidence, I'm pretty sure there's a causal relationship in this case. Data point: I have recently improved my leadership skills by spending time with good leaders in a group that considers those traits high status. (Good leaders still made up a (substantial) minority of the group.) Strong agreement. The thesis is explicitly labeled as literally false in the source. I would be really, really, interested to see data on this. My intuition says you'd do best to spend time with a range of people: a little time with masters, a lot of time with people who are somewhat better than you but whose skills seem within reach, a lot of time with people at your level, and a little time with novices who you can teach.
2diegocaleiro
Thanks, I had no idea why people were downvoting this, and you gave me a better idea. I fully agree with the osmosis problem you mention. I wonder why Modus Ponies got 66 upvotes for saying that same thing.
wwa80

This is an interesting way to setup a lottery while promoting one's ideas.

wwa00
  • yes. I tend to reevaluate goals frequently (at least weekly)

  • yes to the extent of future uncertainty. I am free to change my goals at any point, after all.

  • yes... (obviously?) I'm having a hard time understanding how anyone could not do that.

  • if you would call it "a system", I try to restate nearest action that brings me closer to achieving my goal every day. More often than not the action is "wait" (until you acquire enough money/power/influence to make something happen, until you have enough information to make a decision, etc...)

2Emile
(in reply to "If you're facing big problems or annoyances, have you thought of ways of solving them?") Well, a pretty frequent alternative is complaining a lot and looking for sympathy. Another is blaming someone else.
wwa00

Thus the design (i.e. "The Math") vs implementation (i.e. "The Code") division. I believe design verification suffers from same problems as implementation verification, albeit maybe less severely (though I never worked with really complex, novel, abstract math... it would be interesting to see how many of those, on average, are "proved" correct and then blow up).

Still, I would argue that the problem is not that black-box testing is insufficient - it is where we are currently able to apply it - but rather that we have no idea ... (read more)

wwa10

I for one can't agree with the point that transparency does any good in security assessment if we consider implementation of a complex system (design has its own rules though). I believe you underestimate how broken a human mind really is.

Transparency == Priming

The team which does security review of the system will utterly fail the moment they get their hands on the source code, due to suggestion/priming effects.

  • comments in source - I won't even argue
  • variable and function names will suggest what this part of code "is for". E.g code could say &
... (read more)
0[anonymous]
I think you are thinking about transparency differently than OP. You seem to be thinking of informal code review type stuff (hence the comments and function names gripe), and not formal, mechanical verification, which is what OP is talking about (I think). The point is that black box testing can only realistically verify a tiny slice of input-output space. You cannot prove theorems involving universal quantification, for example, without literally checking every input (which may not fit in the known universe). So if the system has some esoteric failure mode that you didn't manage to test for, you don't catch it. On the other hand "transparent" testing is where you give eg a type checker access to the internal structure so it can immediately prove things like "nope, this function cannot match the spec, and will fail by adding a list to a number, when fed input X". As a serious, if trivial, example, imagine black-box testing a quicksort. You test it on 1000 large random lists and measure the average and worst case running time. You probably get O(n*log(n)) for both. You deploy the code, and someone disassembles it, and designs a killer input and pwns your system, because quicksort has rare inputs for which it goes O(n^2). Transparency isn't only about reading the source code or not, it's also about whether you can do formal deduction or not.
wwa00

Is true precommitment possible at all?

Human-wise this is an easy question, human will isn't perfect, but what about an AI? It seems to me that "true precommitment" would require the AI to come up with a probability 100% when it arrives at the decision to precommit, which means at least one prior was 100% and that in turn means no update is possible for this prior.

0Qiaochu_Yuan
Why? Of what?
wwa40

Your writing feels like it needs a special dictionary.

I would like to offer a distinction between two different kinds of accepting. One is the opposite of denial (which is being called "fighting" in this case). The other is the opposite of changing.

"accepting" != "acceptance". Why relabel "denial"? You attach a second meaning to "accept"... didn't "acknowledge","admit", "avow" or "recognize" work for you?

wwa30

Ah, I see there was a race condition. I'll retract my comment.

wwa30

I find "How do I proceed to find out more about X" to give best results. Note: it's important to phrase it so that they understand you are asking for an efficient algorithm to find out about X, not for them to tell you about X!

It works even if you're completely green and talking to a prodigy in the field (which I find to be particularly hard). Otherwise you'll get "RTFM"/"JFGI" at best or they will avoid you entirely at worst.

wwa00

If you instead went due north and then due east, that would be two left turns (driveways), one right turn, and three straights. Isn't that a strictly better route?

I assumed turning left into/out of a driveway (i.e. "crossing the street when not on a crossroad") is impossible or at least hard (slow). This is often the case in a dense city. If we're not in a dense city then Taxicab assumption is an error as well.

0[anonymous]
Ah, that makes sense. But then doesn't the route direction depend on where the starting and ending points are located, still? With your picture, if the starting point is on the north or east side of the block and the ending point is on the south or west side (as they are), a counterclockwise route works better. If the starting point is on the south or west side and the ending point is on the north or east side, a clockwise route seems to be better. And if there's one of each, you'll end up with a figure-eight route.
wwa10

data point: I didn't parse it as condescending at all.

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4Adele_L
Did you read it before it was rephrased?
wwa00

It seems to me that, unless one is already a powerful person, the best thing one can do to gain optimization power is building relationships with people more powerful than oneself.

Depends on how powerful you want to become. Those relationships will be a burden the moment you'll "surpass the masters" so to speak. You may want to avoid building too many.

wwa00

Before experiments pretty close to 8 on average, maybe slightly less.

wwa00

No, I didn't know it exists, cool. Looks like one more reason to get myself a smartphone already.

0A1987dM
There are widgets that do the same thing but are much cheaper than a smartphone¹, though much more expensive than an app if you already have a smartphone. ---------------------------------------- 1. Than a new smartphone, at least -- dunno what the market for second-hand ones is like where you are.
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