All of Zaine's Comments + Replies

Zaine00

I have a friend on business in San Francisco with some free time Tuesday afternoon. Do any of you have a recommendation of how they should spend that time, outside of general suggestions as might be listed here?

Zaine20

"I believe that there is a biological variance in intelligence and insufficient information to allow for accurate qualitative analysis."

Your null hypothesis of each question assumes the difference, if present, will favour males; regardless of the theory's specifics, if you wish to gather fully rounded data on the opinions of your population, you must needs allow for that in the questions. If there's a theory that blue is finest on a Winter's day, and you wish to find out what people think of it, you must counter the inherent priming of the theor... (read more)

Zaine40

Ah, then the purpose for my question is rendered moot. If it was an original coining, I wished to know the thought process that went into deciding, "Yes, I shall prime thusly."

Zaine10

For how long did you deliberate upon whether, or what did you think whilst deciding to go with 'Gallant' and 'Goofus'?

VAuroch130

It's a classic pair of Lazy Bad Planner and Shining Example of Humanity, which has been used in the children's magazine Highlights to put morals on display for decades.

I might have gone with Simplicio and Salviati, but that would go over many people's heads for no real benefit.

Zaine20

Intriguing, and thank you for the detailed reply. May I respond in the future should I have further queries?

0[anonymous]
Sure, why not. I might be able (in a less busy time) to dig up that protein chaperone research too, somebody came to the university I'm at to give a talk on it a month or two ago.
Zaine00

I considered that, but the words seemed too different to result from a typo; I'm interested to learn the fact of the matter.

I've edited the grandparent to accommodate your interpretation.

Zaine00

What's the current thinking on how to prevent physiological decay over time (id est ageing)? Figure a way to recover the bits of DNA cleaved in mitosis?

[anonymous]110

Shortening telomeres are a red herring. You need multiple generations of a mammal not having telomerase before you get premature ageing, and all the research you've heard about where they 'reversed ageing' with telomerase was putting it back into animals that had been engineered to lack it for generations. Plus lack of telomerase in most of your somatic cells is one of your big anti-cancer defenses.

Much more of a problem is things like nuclear pores never being replaced in post-mitotic cells (they're only replaced during mitosis) and slowly oxidizing and... (read more)

Zaine00

We need to stop and (biologically) define life and death for a moment. A human can be cryogenically frozen before or after their brain shuts down; in either case, their metabolism will cease all function. This is typically a criterion of death. However if, when reanimated, the human carries on as they would from a wee kip, does this mean they have begun a new life? resumed their old life after a sojourn to the Underworld?

You see the quandary our scenario puts to this definition of life, for the waterbear does the exact above. They will suspend their me... (read more)

1Benquo
I think the question was a practical one and "verification" should have been "vitrification."
Zaine00

We'd need to have a means of differentiating the subject waterbear's behaviour from other waterbears; while not exhaustive, classically conditioning a modified reflexive reaction to stimuli (desensitisation, sensitisation) or inducing LTP or LTD on a synapse, then testing whether the adaptations were retained post-reanimation, would be a starting point.

The problem comes when you try to extrapolate success in the above experiment to mean potential for more complex organisms to survive the same procedure given x. Ideally you would image all of the subjects ... (read more)

0[anonymous]
Does the waterbear experience verification and then wake up again after being thawed, or does subjective experience terminate with vitrification - subjective experience of death / oblivion - and a new waterbear with identical memories begin living?
Zaine40

To keep the information all in one place, I'll reply here.

Cryogenic preservation exists in the proof of tardigrades - also called waterbears - which can reanimate from temperatures as low as 0.15 K, and have sufficient neurophysiological complexity to enable analysis of neuronal structural damage.

We don't know if the identity of a given waterbear pre-cyrobiosis is preserved post-reanimation. For that we'd need a more complex organism. However, the waterbear is idiosyncratic in its capacity for preservation; while it proves the possibility for cyrogenic p... (read more)

2[anonymous]
How would you design that experiment? I would think all you'd need is a better understanding of what identity is. But maybe we mean different things by identity.
Zaine00

Would this include humans less than four years of age?

0Douglas_Knight
I've only seen one study that included 3 year-olds. And it didn't include many, so it didn't break them out and only concluded that the range of 3-5 did worse than 6-7.
Zaine00

Thanks - that's quite useful.

Zaine00

Did your eyelids have a view of a lit clock?

0Eliezer Yudkowsky
No.
Zaine30

Thank you! I'm curious what they do in their free time: do they have creative hobbies, how do they socialise, what do your kids and their friends think of your kids' schooling, etc.

What are your thoughts regarding languages, for both human and computer interaction?

Thank you again for sharing!

Zaine130

If you wouldn't mind, please share either your curricula or the method used to design it - whichever is most generally applicable.

octopocta110

We make it up as we go along :)

Basically my wife and I ask ourselves "What is the next thing to learn, or what do the kids need to review?" Our very broad curriculum for math is operations in order, from addition to exponents and logarithms, with learning and graphing functions that use that operation at the same time. So, when they learn addition they learn linear functions and line graphing, curves when they learn exponents, etc. Then fractions and decimals, because you need to understand fractions to understand the unit circle, which is the b... (read more)

Zaine20

Hope it helps! Does that mean he has access to Academy resources, and could attend should he wish it?

2James_Miller
Yes for the resources, but we live too far away for him to attend in person.
Zaine00

Never seriously, I hope. I have yet to stop laughing.

1DanielLC
The first one was just a joke about a ship nobody would ever seriously do. It was also the only one where Harry had any part in it. The second one was pretty much just for humor, but it did make sense in context: Avpubynf Synzry jnf bevtvanyyl n snxr vqragvgl sbe fbzrbar gbb ybj pynff gb or n erfcrpgrq nypurzvfg. Ur riraghnyyl znqr gur cuvybfbcure'f fgbar nf n ubnk, naq cnffrq ba gur znagry. Gur pheerag Avpubynf Synzry vf Uneel Cbggre. ZpTbantnyy jnf jryy njner gung vg jbhyq or n znl qrprzore ebznapr, ohg fur gubhtug fur jnf gur lbhat bar.
Zaine00

I decided to delete the text of my first comment, as it dealt with what sex by rationalists would look like, rather than erotica fantasising rational decision making; the first is available upon request.

Minerva couldn't remember the last time she'd felt this nervous. She'd redone her hair knot at least twice now, and she still couldn't tear herself away from the mirror. Half of her wanted to be convinced it was out of respect for the man. That half was a dirty liar. Almost as dirty as her thoughts of the last hour.

A knock came at the door.

"Enter

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2DanielLC
You know, this is the third time I've seen Harry shipped with McGonagall.
Zaine110

I'll brainstorm suggestions, then.

  • Ask him if there's a language he'd like to learn. If there is, provide him materials to learn the basics (grammar, alphabet, fundamentals) and promise to send him to a language school that immerses you for x months during a break.

  • Ask him if he'd like tutored instruction in a subject; if he would, then, as others suggest, enslave a grad student.

  • Gift him a "Learn X the Hard Way" book. Alternatives include Real Python; I don't know what else they include.

  • Ask him if he has any life goals. If they are scien

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7Kaj_Sotala
Of course, at age 8, he is unlikely to have very realistic life goals (if any) - and settling too strongly on any goal you have at that age may even be harmful, since it will be based on rather limited information. That said, it would be useful to have some driving goal in one's life. Meta-goals such as "I should learn things as broadly as possible, so that I will be in a position to do whatever I want when I do figure out my real life goals" are probably the most useful at this point, if he can be made excited about them. Having him read What You'll Wish You'd Have Known may help with that.
2James_Miller
Thanks! He doesn't attend the Davidson school, but is a member of the organization.
Zaine70

There's the Davidson Academy.

If he hasn't learned algebra yet, get him DragonBox; I'd be curious to learn whether he prefers explicit instruction.

3James_Miller
He is in Davidson Academy and finished DragonBox. He is fine with either type of instruction.
Zaine00

I didn't know this, and if there are other instances, would like to know all of them. Thank you!

Zaine00

In the placebo effect, you try something, see results, and believe those results derived from what you tried, when in fact what you tried could not possibly have had any effect whatsoever; the observed results are then attributed to one's beliefs that the tried thing had the capacity for effecting change.

The above refers to a different phenomenon: one tries something, doesn't see results, and believes what they tried had no effect, when in fact what they tried did have results.

In the placebo effect, one's beliefs effect change. In the phenomenon Shannon r... (read more)

6kalium
Actually the placebo effect is a statistical term covering the entire improvement seen in the placebo branch of a trial. Part of the effect comes from beliefs, yes. But there are other causes. For instance, people tend to enroll in clinical trials when their health is at a local minimum, and reversion to the mean can account for a good chunk of their improvement.
Zaine20

You're right. I was assuming we might parlay for subjugation; you made me realise that whatever marginal benefit our assistance would confer the uFAI, the marginal chance of our destroying the uFAI precludes enslaved coexistence.

Zaine10

It increases the ratio of the main inhibitory neurotransmitter (GABA) of the cortex to the main excitatory neurotransmitter (glutamate) relative to a brain that's not keto-adapted. Vide for theories on why we observe this phenomenon. This makes strict ketogenic dieting a viable treatment for reducing seizures in epileptics. In non-epileptics, I've been told some claim a 'zen' feeling when in ketosis. Objectively, more inhibition means less firing of neurons, and less firing of neurons can either be a good or bad thing. With more inhibition comes more ... (read more)

2Kawoomba
Speculative, or do you have any sources on that? It could be vice versa: consider e.g. the basal ganglia, with e.g. the striatum inhibiting the globus pallidus, which in turn inhibits e.g. the nucleus subthalamicus. The net effect of relatively more GABA in such a network (inhibiting the inhibition) is a priori unclear (it could go either way, depending on the relative weights of the two sequentially networked inhibitory structures). While the overall effect is probably inhibitory (hence the usage for epilepsy), not all circuits are created equal in terms of facilitating creative insights, nor does increased overall activity necessarily translate to increased creativity. Note that stimulants such as methylphenidate can be used to treat ADHD, of all things.
Zaine10

That's true in humans, not just dogs? Good to know, if so.

Zaine00

Of a dark, scfi-fi blue hue:
Extending from the left towards the centre of the cover is a translucent plastic computer screen we view from behind, through which we see complicated code displayed in white text. Beyond the screen is arena seating, reminiscent of the UN, with world leaders's heads fallen dead at their desks, beside their country's flag-emblazoned name plate.

1JoshuaFox
No, the problem of uFAI is not that we will have to surrender to it. It is that the uFAI will destroy us as a side effect of achieving its goals, when it uses our resources for its purposes.
Zaine20

Cool idea! Some suggestions:

Use ground sprouted flax seed powder instead to avoid phytate bodies potentially binding with the minerals.
I assume you're using flaxseed oil for omega-3 fatty acids? Use krill oil instead.

Cocoa has the same problem, and is hard to replace in terms of taste. Coconut, avocado, hemp (seeds or oil), acai berries, and nutritional yeast might work in some combination, but can all be prohibitively expensive depending on the intended application.

Adjusting the amount of cocoa should lower the amount of fat intake. For optimal rete... (read more)

1pinyaka
Xylitol triggers insulin release which may be undesirable
Zaine10

Note that this period is extremely time sensitive, and, depending upon when changes occur, determines whether the strength of the connection will be increased or decreased. For anyone interested in a technical explanation of this theory of memory, vide - particularly the sky blue side bars on the left. Although not believed the whole territory, it, to about half of convention-going neuroscientists, comprises a large part of the current map.

Zaine00

Perhaps I've misunderstood the post, but it seems like they are doing a variant of Cognitive Behavioural Therapy; id est, they are identifying problem thought areas and attempting to change them during activation.

0ILikeLogic
Yes. Activation is the key. The synapses that code the learned emotional responses have a period after which they have been activated during which they can be changed. If no disconfirming or contradictory experience takes place they will be re-consolidated. But if a disconfirm experience takes place in that window they will not. That is the theory and there is some good animal research to support it.
Zaine20

Risks of Artificial Intelligence

Or, adding a wee bit a of flair:

Parricide: Risks of Artificial Intelligence

Conceding the point to Eliezer:

Parricide and the Quest for Machine Intelligence

Zaine-10

I don't think I understand the problem. While reading the Numerical Lottery (NL) paragraph, I decided choosing only box B was the obvious answer, which led me to think I've misunderstood something.

In box B is $1,000, a composite number. If I pick a composite number, the NL gifts me $2 million it-doesn't-really-matter-what-currency

Oh, I misread the problem. In box A is $1,000. Well, now I think I've understood the problem, and chosen the right answer for mistaken reasons.

If the NL pays "[me] $2 million if it has selected a composite number, and oth... (read more)

Zaine00

I'm working on rotating tasks to improved productivity. Downside: Most tasks require a muse; I only have two which don't. Solution: Add another task of the latter category. Writing it out makes things so clear; thank you for this Schelling point!

I've also started using a calendar.

Zaine00

If anything it is a strong imperative to gather as much information as possible (to get as close to perfect information as you can) before making decisions.

This is an imperative for any rational agent insofar as the situation warrants. To assist in this process, philosopher's develop decision theories. Decision theories are designed to assist an agent in processing information, and deciding a course of action, in furtherance of the agent's values; they do not assist in determining what is worth valuing. Theories of proper moral conduct fill this gap.... (read more)

Zaine00

Moral theories of this sort need an all-knowing source of perfect judgement, else it can't resolve the following case:

Rational Agent A, surrounded by rational Collective-B, knows to the best of their ability that they can achieve Areté through life course alpha. Collective-B disagrees, knowing Agent A can only achieve Areté through life course beta.

Assuming each party reasons from an equivalent depth of information, Eudaimonic Utilitarianism cannot resolve the conflict without an Omega's help.

Areté itself is a subjective indicator without an Omega, though... (read more)

0Darklight
Admittedly the main challenge of Eudaimonic Utilitarianism is probably the difficulty of calculating a utility function that asks would a perfectly rational version of the agent with perfect information would do. Given that we usually only know from behaviour what an agent with bounded rationality would want, it is difficult to extrapolate without an Omega. That being said, even a rough approximation based on what is generally known about rational agents and as much information as can reasonably be mustered, is probably better than not trying at all. If anything it is a strong imperative to gather as much information as possible (to get as close to perfect information as you can) before making decisions. So EU would probably support Rational Agent A and Collective-B pooling their information and together gathering more information and trying to come to some consensus about alpha vs beta by trying to approximate perfect information and perfect rationality as closely as they can. It is assumed in this theory that intrinsic values would be congruent enough for the agent and the Omega to agree at the high level abstraction of were the agent given all the information and rationality that the Omega has. Of course, the agent without this information may find what the Omega does to help it achieve Eudaimonia to be strange and unintuitive, but that would be due to its lack of awareness of what the Omega knows. Admittedly this can lead to some rather paternalistic arrangements, but assuming that the Omega is benevolent, this shouldn't be too bad an arrangement for the agent. My apologies if I'm misunderstanding what you mean by Omega.
Zaine00

Uncaring AI? The correlate could stay 'Friendly AI', as I presume to assume acting in a friendly fashion is easier to identify than capability for emotions/values and emotion/value motivated action.

Zaine00

How would you rate the quality of these as compared to published fiction? I mean to ask how you'd compare time spent on the above with, say, some of the recommendations in the fiction section.

2Baughn
In Memoriam and Halkeginia Online are every bit as good as typical published fiction, if not better, and I've bought things that turned out to be significantly worse. I might add To The Stars (Puella Magica) to that list, but IIRC it was already recommended in a previous thread - I can't check at the moment, my internet connection is like unto wet string. Uchibi Sasuke is pretty much pure crack. Amusing, but if you're asking that question you shouldn't read it. Game Theory and Overlady are harder to judge. They're competently written, certainly, and I by no means regret spending time on them; however, my judgement is compromised by wanting to see more of the characters used. A lot of fanfiction is like that - you get attached to particular worlds, and want to expand on them. If that doesn't happen to you, there are better options in ordinary fiction. Of the two, Overlady depends more on comedy; Game Theory is straight drama.
Zaine00

I gather Australia's medical system is just as notoriously bad as America's (as per Yvain's excoriations)?

Finland's Healthcare system and to a lesser extent the NHS seem to mostly have proper incentives in place, as uncured folk means less capacity to treat oneself. Surely medical care the world over isn't guided by perverse incentives? That is more a question than an assertion.

0Alicorn
Whoops. Oh well.
Zaine10

Being 'part of a community' and having a term that defines one's identity are two different conditions. In the former, one's participation in a community is merely another aspect to one's personality or character, which can be all-expansive.

In the latter, one is tied to others who share the identifier. Even if 'rationalist' just means one who subscribes to the importance of instrumental and epistemic rationality in daily life, accepting and embracing that or any identifier can have negatives. The former condition, representing a choice rather than a fac... (read more)

Zaine00

Now that I think on it, maybe it is for some people. If you consider the lyric "lose yourself to the music, the moment..." the instruction to 'lose oneself' implies the experience must be voluntary; much like hypnosis, if you don't wish to succumb to the hypnotic flow of the hypnotist's drone, you won't.

Then again, music also passively affects brain waves. I can't find a review article after searching for five minutes. The neuronal firing patterns - the frequency of firing, or brain waves - induced by heavy metal differ from jazz, which yet di... (read more)

Zaine20

I've thought about this before. Here's my go:

In regards to sound: If you take a tuning fork and smack it, it will vibrate. Vibration can be pleasurable. If the tuning fork is a brain, and the smack is music, then the result is a contented or slightly altered-from-the-norm feeling, that might be akin to the vibration of a tuning fork if tuning forks like vibrating.

In regards to lyrics: Singing along to things or singing by oneself can bring joy to one. This could have to do with the feeling of one's voice reverberating through their body, psychological ... (read more)

1James_Miller
This makes it seem like wireheading.
Zaine00

Oh, I completely forgot inner windows exist! Sorry about that.

Zaine40

For 6: if sunlight positively affects workplace productivity, drop down white backgrounds on windows would have adverse consequences.

Balancing suggestion: install a window on a wall.

0lukeprog
That solution only works for inner windows, anyway, since we can't pull down things on the outside of our building on the third floor.
Zaine00

Naturally; we're working from the same fabric.

Zaine00

1) The question is whether they can experience the subjective realisation of, "Because of this situation, I am experiencing negative emotions. I dislike this situation, but there is no escape," and thus increase their suffering by adding negative internal stimuli - appreciation and awareness of their existence - to already existing negative external stimuli. This is a stricter condition some may have for caring about other creatures to an inconvenient degree. For a fictional example, Methods!Harry refused to eat anything when he considered the... (read more)

2Peter Wildeford
To be fair, you can't demonstrate this for any human either. That's the problem with consciousness.
Zaine00

It's a quote against which one can test their rationality, maybe?

  • When someone died or when it was made has no relevance; only its merit in guiding a government is relevant.
  • Their moral and political views don't matter either, unless contained in the present US Constitution; this seems like argumentum ad hominem at first glance, but one needs to check the claim before evaluating its persuasiveness.
  • One must argue that knowledge of modern America confers enough of a benefit to forming a working governmental body that scrapping and rewriting the entire
... (read more)
Zaine00

For item 1, that's fine.

I'm only presenting an argument from the perspective of one who wants to live well and longer, but also wishes to leave a positive impact upon the world; my goal was to raise concerns someone from this mindset would like to see addressed, but ended up arguing (perhaps repugnantly) in favour of the mindset instead.
Let me know if that doesn't help clear confusion.

Probably non-sentient lives are not limited to non-human animals, but marine and plant life, as well as human animals in extreme interpretations.

For item 2, sentience mea... (read more)

1Peter Wildeford
I'm sorry, I'm still confused. 1.) Do you think nonhuman animals can suffer? If not, why not? 2.) If yes to #1, do you think that suffering is something you might care about? If not, why not?
Zaine00

If optimal health requires strict consumption of only sea-vegetables and coconut oil, one must offset the resources required their sustainable, scalable harvesting. If optimal health requires eating meat procured from animals eating only their native food sources in their native habitat, killed while their hunter whispers sweet nothings and severs their vertebrae at the nape with a swift, sure, and gentle strike, one must offset the costs required making the operation sustainable, scalable, and global warming-friendly - perhaps by inventing meat-vats, solving global warming, or discovering a means of feasible space colonisation.

Zaine-30

Obtaining optimal health is an unsolved problem. With optimal health, a human will live longer. This human weights probably sentient life as worth more than probably non-sentient life. According to this human's values, the amount of probably non-sentient life this human must consume in order to obtain optimal health does not justify consumption in and of itself. As a human will live longer with optimal health, this human also has more time they can devote to offsetting their consumption, in the end making their human life worth more in net than the cum... (read more)

2Peter Wildeford
I'm confused about what you're saying. If what I think you're saying is what you're saying, then I disagree with you that either (1) nonhuman animals are probably non-sentient or (2) sentience shouldn't matter, depending on what you meant by "sentient". I also think that vegetarianism cannot provide optimal health (but so can a diet that involves meat, as can veganism).
0Zaine
If optimal health requires strict consumption of only sea-vegetables and coconut oil, one must offset the resources required their sustainable, scalable harvesting. If optimal health requires eating meat procured from animals eating only their native food sources in their native habitat, killed while their hunter whispers sweet nothings and severs their vertebrae at the nape with a swift, sure, and gentle strike, one must offset the costs required making the operation sustainable, scalable, and global warming-friendly - perhaps by inventing meat-vats, solving global warming, or discovering a means of feasible space colonisation.
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