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Comment author: lessdazed 25 August 2011 11:46:38PM *  10 points [-]

Every time I ask a clarifying question of any of your claims, you get extremely defensive and fail to answer it, which suggests a poor understaning of what you're trying to present results on.

Regarding the comment thread you linked to, I agree that the initial response you received was defensive and uninformative. I am not surprised to see it sitting at zero upvotes.

When you prodded further, you got a good response, so while I think you didn't come out badly in that exchange at all, I am surprised that you are citing it as evidence of lukeprog understanding poorly. It instead suggests that he responds defensively even when he does understand and has a cogent answer, and that defensiveness from him implies shallow understanding far less than it would from others.

I think your contributions are overrated.

I have little problem with bluntly telling people that they suck, and by extension don't mind less offending forthright communication, but I am leery of discussing people's work by evaluating how people's work compares to the popular perception of their work. It introduces an unnecessary factual dispute - how people are perceived.

E.g. "Loui Eriksson is the most underrated player in the NHL, just ask anyone! Wait a second...if everyone agrees, then..."

Comment author: lessdazed 12 January 2012 11:03:35PM 0 points [-]

"Loui Eriksson is the most underrated player in the NHL, just ask anyone! Wait a second...if everyone agrees, then..."

A new player poll asking who the most underrated NHL player is just came out, and guess who got more than twice as many votes as the second most voted for player? Hint: he was named to the All-Star roster last year...yes, it's Loui Eriksson, again. This makes little sense. How many years in a row and in how many polls can a single guy be perceived by so many as "most underrated?"

New Year's resolution: avoid discussing whether or not something is overrated or underrated and simply evaluate its actual worth.

Comment author: SilasBarta 29 August 2011 04:51:41PM -1 points [-]

When you prodded further, you got a good response, so while I think you didn't come out badly in that exchange at all, I am surprised that you are citing it as evidence of lukeprog understanding poorly.

I disagree. The final response was just as unhelpful; it's just that I didn't bother pushing the point. Luke tried to imply that the research he cited showed how to "dress fashionably based on magazines" yet not be consumerist, which is completely false.

I have little problem with bluntly telling people that they suck, and by extension don't mind less offending forthright communication, but I am leery of discussing people's work by evaluating how people's work compares to the popular perception of their work.

Well, there is a tendency among forums for people to automatically vote up anything that looks well researched, so it's important to know when that facade isn't holding up. And considering the number of times Luke gets corrected on his use of a source or otherwise crumples on any follow-up question, I'm worried this is one of those cases, and so I can't avoid implicating people for hasty upvoting.

But again, some of his more recent work looks to be more careful.