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Comment author: philh 14 September 2012 06:03:23PM 2 points [-]

It's the impression I've got from informal observation, and it's true when talking about myself specifically. (If I disagree, I presumably have something to say that has not yet been said. If I agree, that's less likely to be true. I don't know if that's the whole reason, but it feels like a substantial part of it.)

http://lesswrong.com/lw/3h/why_our_kind_cant_cooperate/ provides an anecdote, and suggests that Eliezer has also gotten the same impression.

Comment author: TheOtherDave 14 September 2012 06:15:08PM *  3 points [-]

I certainly agree with your last sentence.

My own experience is that while people are more likely to express immediate disagreement than agreement in contexts where disagreement is expressed at all, they are also more likely to express disagreement with expressed disagreement in such forums, from which agreement can be inferred (much as I can infer your agreement with EY's behavior from your disagreement with Will_Newsome). The idea that they are more likely to keep quiet in general, or that people are more likely to anonymously downvote what they disagree with than upvote what they agree with, doesn't jive with my experience.

And in contexts where disagreement is not expressed, I find the Asch results align pretty well with my informal expectations of group behavior.

Comment author: philh 14 September 2012 06:20:52PM 2 points [-]

they are also more likely to express disagreement with expressed disagreement in such forums, from which agreement can be inferred

I admit that I hadn't considered this mechanism. I have no gut feeling for whether it's true or not, but it sounds plausible.