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Certainly at least in my case the second seems much closer to the mark. I don't understand your second sentence.
I meant that saying "and then there are masochists" in response to "what is bad about pain?" implies the existence of masochists proves at least sometimes pain can be non-bad, but if in fact masochists do not enjoy the pain itself, but the pleasure they experience simultaneously while experiencing pain, then their existence is not in fact an argument in favor of pain not being intristically bad.
Interesting idea. Would horror movies and roller coasters be better if you could experience their pleasures without having to experience fear? I think it's very closely analogous.
My intuitive answer is they would