Johnicholas comments on The Lifespan Dilemma - Less Wrong

39 Post author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 10 September 2009 06:45PM

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Comment author: Johnicholas 14 September 2009 11:50:48PM *  1 point [-]

There is a sense in which anything that makes choices does have a utility function - the utility function revealed by their choices. In this sense, for example, that akrasia doesn't exist. People prefer to procrastinate, as revealed by their choice to procrastinate.

People frequently slip back and forth between this sense of "utility function" (a rather strange description of their behavior, whatever that is) and the utilitarian philosophers' notions of "utility", which have something to do with happiness/pleasure/fun. To the extent that people pursue happiness, pleasure, and fun, the two senses overlap. However, in my experience, people frequently make themselves miserable or make choices according to lawful rules (of morality, say) - without internal experiences of pleasure in following those rules.

Comment author: pengvado 15 September 2009 01:21:42AM *  1 point [-]

And it's worse than just akrasia. If you have incoherent preferences and someone money-pumps you, then the revealed utility function is "likes running around in circles", i.e. it isn't even about the choices you thought you were deciding between.

Comment author: Johnicholas 15 September 2009 01:39:04AM 2 points [-]

Yup.

Speaking as if "everyone" has a utility function is common around here, but it makes my teeth hurt.