Johnicholas comments on The Lifespan Dilemma - Less Wrong

39 Post author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 10 September 2009 06:45PM

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Comment author: Johnicholas 16 September 2009 06:40:55PM 0 points [-]

You said "information is a property of mass".

Is this obvious? Consider two pebbles floating in space - do they indicate a distance? Could they indicate more information if they were floating further apart?

Is it possible that discoveries in physics could cause you to revise the claim "information is a property of mass"?

Comment author: RolfAndreassen 16 September 2009 07:53:45PM *  0 points [-]

Two particles floating in space, with a given energy, have a given amount of entropy and therefore information. The entropy is the logarithm of the number of states available to them at that energy; if they move further apart, that is a conversion of kinetic to potential energy (I'm assuming they interact gravitationally, but other forces do not change the argument) which is already accounted for in the entropy. Therefore, no, the distance is not an additional piece of information, it has been counted in the number of possible states. You can only change the entropy by adding energy - this is equivalent to adding mass; I've been simplifying by saying 'mass' throughout.

As for discoveries in physics: I do not wish to say that this is impossible. But it would require new understandings in statistical mechanics and thermodynamics, which are by this point really well understood. You're talking about something rather more unlikely than overthrowing general relativity, here; we know GR doesn't work at all scales. In any case, I can only update on information I already have; if you bring in New Physics, you can justify anything.