Eliezer_Yudkowsky comments on Avoiding doomsday: a "proof" of the self-indication assumption - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 23 September 2009 06:19:23PM 7 points [-]

But they'll be well-calibrated in their expectation - most generations will be wrong, but most individuals will be right.

Comment author: cousin_it 24 September 2009 08:15:57AM *  3 points [-]

Woah, Eliezer defends the doomsday argument on frequentist grounds.

Comment author: JamesAndrix 24 September 2009 05:46:03AM 1 point [-]

So we might well be rejecting something based on long-standing experience, but be wrong because most of the tests will happen in the future? Makes me want to take up free energy research.

Comment author: brian_jaress 24 September 2009 07:37:17AM *  -1 points [-]

Only because of the assumption that the colony is wiped out suddenly. If, for example, the decline mirrors the rise, about two-thirds will be wrong.

ETA: I mean that 2/3 will apply the argument and be wrong. The other 1/3 won't apply the argument because they won't have exponential growth. (Of course they might think some other wrong thing.)

Comment author: Stuart_Armstrong 24 September 2009 09:49:23AM 0 points [-]

They'll be wrong about the generation part only. The "exponential growth" is needed to move from "we are in the last 2/3 of humanity" to "we are in the last few generations". Deny exponential growth (and SIA), then the first assumption is still correct, but the second is wrong.

Comment author: brian_jaress 24 September 2009 03:22:53PM 0 points [-]

They'll be wrong about the generation part only.

But that's the important part. It's called the "Doomsday Argument" for a reason: it concludes that doomsday is imminent.

Of course the last 2/3 is still going to be 2/3 of the total. So is the first 2/3.

Imminent doomsday is the only non-trivial conclusion, and it relies on the assumption that exponential growth will continue right up to a doomsday.