Stuart_Armstrong comments on Avoiding doomsday: a "proof" of the self-indication assumption - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Stuart_Armstrong 24 September 2009 02:07:27PM 0 points [-]

As I said, it's a complicated point. For most of the toy models, "observers who think they are human" is enough, and avoids having to go into these issues.

Comment author: SilasBarta 24 September 2009 02:14:12PM 0 points [-]

Not unless you can explain why "universes with many observers who think they are human" are more common than "universes with few observers who think they are human". Even when you condition on your own existence, you have no reason to believe that most Everett branches have humans.

Comment author: Stuart_Armstrong 24 September 2009 02:37:08PM 1 point [-]

Er no - they are not more common, at all. The SIA says that you are more likely to be existing in a universe with many humans, not that these universes are more common.

Comment author: SilasBarta 24 September 2009 02:46:35PM *  0 points [-]

Your TL post said:

The non-intuitive form of SIA simply says that universes with many observers are more likely than those with few.

And you just replaced "observers" with "observers who think they are human", so it seems like the SIA does in fact say that universes with many observers who think they are human are more likely than those with few.

Comment author: Stuart_Armstrong 24 September 2009 02:50:18PM 0 points [-]

Sorry, sloppy language - I meant "you, being an observer, are more likely to exist in a universe with many observers".

Comment author: SilasBarta 24 September 2009 03:20:53PM 1 point [-]

So then the full anthrocentric SIA would be, "you, being an observer that believes you are human, are more likely to exist in a universe with many observers who believe they are human".

Is that correct? If so, does your proof prove this stronger claim?