Zack_M_Davis comments on Open Thread: October 2009 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Zack_M_Davis 17 October 2009 10:05:12PM 3 points [-]

Group underrepresenatation isn't even necessary, either. A more general form of the argument carries as long as you agree that "[fiction] isn't a completed project[;] [s]topping the production of fiction in its tracks now would leave us with a corpus of stories that" is suboptimal in some way.

Cf. DH7

Comment author: cousin_it 19 October 2009 01:13:39PM *  0 points [-]

Nope, doesn't work. Why do you think new fiction would make the corpus more optimal in any way?

Comment author: pengvado 19 October 2009 03:37:03PM 1 point [-]

Because the criteria of optimality change over time. If civilization ever becomes so static (or so cyclic) that I agree with people 50 years ago about what makes for a good story, then you can stop writing new fiction. As is, there certainly are some old works that were so good for their own time that they're still worth reading now, despite the differences in values. But I can't fail to notice those differences, and they do detract from my enjoyment unless I'm specifically in the mood for something alien.

Comment author: gwern 19 October 2009 04:21:22PM 1 point [-]

As is, there certainly are some old works that were so good for their own time that they're still worth reading now, despite the differences in values.

If the criteria are always changing & devaluing old works, why do we read things like Gilgamesh or the Iliad or Odyssey? Did they have nigh-infinite value, that they could survive 3k+ years?

Comment author: Jack 19 October 2009 04:44:27PM 0 points [-]

As far as I can tell this is just the "spirit of the times" point restated by people who can't be bothered to read our long-winded exchange.

Comment author: Zack_M_Davis 19 October 2009 07:16:47PM 0 points [-]

It makes the corpus more complete, if nothing else. Of course we don't want to write all possible books; that's just the useless Library of Babel. But that's physically impossible anyway; within the range that we can apprehend, I'm inclined to say that more books about more topics is better.