ciphergoth comments on Raising the Sanity Waterline - Less Wrong

112 Post author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 12 March 2009 04:28AM

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Comment author: Johnicholas 12 March 2009 10:49:32AM 1 point [-]

Would you say that "We have no way of being rigorous about it" means that we shouldn't teach the meme analogy?

Comment author: ciphergoth 12 March 2009 01:13:13PM 1 point [-]

It means that if I talk about memes, I leave myself open to an easy challenge to which I currently have no reply. I'd really like a good reply, since I think it's a genuinely useful aid to thinking about what it means for an idea to be popular, so if you have one I'm keen to hear it!

Comment author: Johnicholas 12 March 2009 02:29:55PM 3 points [-]

Suppose I present a concrete non-rigorous analogy: "A chain letter is like an organism with a habitat of human minds.". What is the easy challenge that I have left myself open to? I already freely conceded that it was non-rigorous.

Comment author: Rings_of_Saturn 12 March 2009 09:12:18PM 16 points [-]

Johnicholas:

You leave yourself open to the reply that the non-rigorousness of the analogy makes it useless or even pernicious. Owning up to a fault doesn't make it go away.

Comment author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 12 March 2009 09:19:49PM 10 points [-]

Owning up to a fault doesn't make it go away.

Congratulations, you have just reduced the proper use of humility to a single proverb. I shall endeavor to go around repeating this.