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How to test your mental performance at the moment?

22 Post author: taw 23 November 2009 06:35PM

We all have our good days and our bad days. Due to insufficient sleep, illness, stress, distractions, and many other causes we often find ourselves far below our usual levels of mental performance. When we find ourselves in such a state, it's not really worth putting effort in doing many tasks, like programming or long term planning - as quality will suffer a lot.

The problem is - other than observing deterioration of results, I have no idea if I'm in such a state or not. I cannot be sure if it's also true for others, but I had to find out a few tests of what's my mental performance at the moment. Tests that are deeply flawed, so I'd request better if there are any. I also cannot predict my mental state in advance, as my life isn't terribly regular.

The most reliable test I found, and by accident, was fighting bots on a certain Quake 3 map - me vs 10 or so highest difficulty bots. The challenge was to get 50 frags without dying. As the map was huge and full of power ups, it wasn't really that difficult as long as I could maintain full alertness for 10-15 minutes - but if I was tired or distracted, I would invariably fail. This test was unfortunately extremely slow.

Another test would be to go to goproblems, and do a few random problems at proper difficulty level. If I could think right, I would do most of them, if I was tired, I would fail almost 100%. This didn't test alertness, I guess it would be best described as short term memory test, as that's what used for game tree exploration. Unfortunately what's the proper difficulty varies a lot with how much go I played recently, so it needs to be recalibrated.

One more test would be to go to some decent online IQ test like this one. My results on such test would suffer a lot if I was sleepy or tired. The main problem is that such tests cannot repeated too often, or I'd just remember the answers.

So these are three ways to test how well my mind functions at the moment, all testing something different, and all flawed in one way or another.

How do you test yourself?

Comments (70)

Comment author: CronoDAS 24 November 2009 10:28:17AM *  7 points [-]

Unless I'm actually nodding off, I can't tell the difference, at all. To paraphrase Paul Graham, one of the symptoms of bad judgment is believing that you have good judgment.

Comment author: loqi 27 November 2009 09:00:08PM 1 point [-]

Do you notice any subjective difference from caffeine? Sometimes just the act of trying to remember what some distinct mental state "is like" can give you a handle on your current state.

Along the same lines, another fuzzy measure I've found is the ease with which I can recall what being really effective and flow-ish feels like. The further I am from that state, the more difficult it is to relate to or hold in mind the memory of it.

Comment author: CronoDAS 28 November 2009 06:31:06AM *  0 points [-]

Caffeine makes me jittery. I generally avoid drinking it. (I've also never consumed any substantial amount of alcohol, either.)

Comment author: JustinShovelain 24 November 2009 05:16:59AM *  7 points [-]

Some things I use to test mental ability as well as train it are: BrainWorkshop (A free dualNback program), Cognitivefun.net (A site with assorted tests and profiles including everything from reaction time, to subitizing, to visual backward digit span), Posit Science's jewel diver demo (a multi-object tracking test), and Lumosity.com (brainshift, memory matrix, speed match, top chimp. All of these tests can be found for free on the internet).

Subjectively the regular use of these tests has increased my metacognitive and self monitoring ability. Anyone have other suggestions? How about tests one can do without the aid of external devices?

In complement to determining whether one's brain isn't in its best state there is the question of how to improve or fix it. Keeping with the general spirit of this thread, what are some strategies people use to improve their cognitive functioning (as it pertains to low level properties such as short term memory) in the short term without the use of external aids? A few I use are priming emotional state with posture, expression, and words, doing mental arithmetic, memorizing arbitrary information, and doing the above mental tests.

Comment author: gwern 28 November 2009 12:54:13AM 1 point [-]

Second Brain Workshop; the dual n-back task is one of the few things which has any research suggesting it generalizes/transfers, and so is really interesting compared to random mental trivia tests like most of the stuff on Luminosity.

Comment author: Vladimir_Golovin 25 November 2009 10:22:44AM *  4 points [-]

The most reliable test I found, and by accident, was fighting bots on a certain Quake 3 map

For me, it's playing a TF2 Scout on a well-populated server running a Scout-friendly map. A kill/death ratio of 3:1 or greater means that I'm sharp, 2:1 is okay, and 1:1 or lower means that I'm sluggish.

However, in my case, using a game (especially a twitch-aim FPS) as a performance test defeats the purpose of testing because it primes me away from the task I've planned for the day and considerably shortens my attention span, so I never play anything before work.

How do you test yourself?

I think the best test is the task itself. Instead of testing, I just take a stab at the planned task. When I feel that I'm not performing well (I usually can tell that fairly quickly), I try to downshift to a less demanding subtask within the same task (to keep the priming advantage) and see how well I perform there. Quite a few times I manage to get into "the zone" and upshift back to the original task.

In general, my approach to bad days is not "how do I test if I have a bad day?" but "how do I squeeze the maximum progress out of a bad day?" The approach boils down to a series of downshifts to less demanding but still useful tasks. My typical bad day looks like this: thinking about the #1 item on my todo list, feeling dumb, discussing small problems (e.g. minor GUI tweaks) with the programmers, feeling dumb again, and ending up with declaring an Errand Day (mostly reacting to email).

(What I described above is a "good bad day". A "bad bad day" is when I slide into procrastination at the start of a day and remain useless for the rest of it -- which, thankfully, doesn't happen that often.)

Comment author: akshatrathi 24 November 2009 03:34:34PM 4 points [-]

During a sleep experiment, I used to record my mental performance by a simple arithmetic game. Start with a 3 digit number, subtract 9, then 8, then 7...so on. Time yourself in the task. If the result is ±3 seconds to my average score, means I am quite active.

Comment author: righteousreason 25 November 2009 10:13:30PM 0 points [-]

That reminds me of "counting doubles" from Ender's Game: 2, 4, 8, 16 ... etc until you lose track.

Comment author: Vladimir_Nesov 27 November 2009 05:40:27PM 1 point [-]

2, 4, 8, 16 ... etc until you lose track.

The problem is that with a systematic enough approach, verifying that you've memorized the working data at each step until you do, it's possible to keep on going to 2^50 and beyond, losing all day on the activity :-)

Comment author: Steve_Rayhawk 26 November 2009 05:06:13AM *  3 points [-]

My brother suggests continuous performance tasks.

This is a review of four CPT packages from 2000, and this is an review of 3 CPT packages from 1995 from a user's perspective. These are some slides from 2003 about computerized CPTs and related test instruments.

Continuous performance tasks test sustained attention and need to be "purposefully boring", typically 10-25 minutes, which can be too long for daily use.

The Psychology Experiment Building Language comes with a battery of tests "designed to closely resemble many commonly-used psychological tests", including clones of the Test of Variables of Attention, Conners' Continuous Performance Task, the Wisconsin Card Sorting Task, an implicit association test, and the Iowa Gambling Task.

Some free platforms that could be used to build tests are psychopy, the Vision Egg, pyepl, and PEBL. Some other platforms are in this list.

Comment author: Steve_Rayhawk 26 November 2009 05:08:38AM *  4 points [-]

Any psychological test of response time that uses only consumer PC hardware will have difficulty with timing resolution and calibration. Platforms like operating systems, libraries, and virtual machines, and competition by other processes for processor time, can add difficulty. Some operating systems have a scheduler resolution like 10ms on an unloaded system, and they put input events into a queue without recording when the events happened. Even if an operating system does not do this, a cross-platform media I/O platform like Flash (used by Cognitive Fun, with an 18ms frame delay) or SDL (used by PEBL) might. Computer displays refresh around every 18ms, and the top part of a display refreshes earlier than the bottom part. The display technology may add delays which depend on the starting and ending light levels. The synchronization of sound stimuli with other timings depends on the sound hardware, drivers, and libraries. Input device hardware and communication protocols can cause other delays; for example, USB mice and keyboards are by default polled by the OS only every 8ms (though this can be changed in software).

Free libraries which are more careful about timing resolution are psychopy (which uses pygame for sound and pyglet for everything else) and pyepl. More information on response timing resolution is in the psychopy documentation or the sections on timing and CRT stimulus presentation in the documentation for the commercial neuroscience experiment software Presentation.

If the experiment software only knows the time of an event up to the start and end of an interval during which the software didn't have CPU time or input poll results, then normal statistical methods would need that interval to be converted to a point estimate of the event time. This can cause bias. Intervals should be interpreted as a source of relative likelihoods, such as can be used in a maximum-likelihood estimator of the parameters of a distribution of possible values, or a Bayesian model. (Check out the posterior mean reconstructions on page 10!)

Comment author: Steve_Rayhawk 26 November 2009 06:11:52AM *  2 points [-]

(My brother works partly for the company that sells equipment, training, and interpretation services for the Test of Variables of Attention, which may be the continuous performance task implemented with the most attention to timing resolution. For frequent measurement of mental performance, the TOVA itself might not be worth the price (including $15 per test) outside of clinical ADHD assessment or personalized dose-response measurement, unless maybe you get a discount for non-commercial use, but he says "all the TOVA folks are very open-source and science/philosophy friendly and will help you out" with advice on using a computer to test mental performance (even if you're trying to build a DIY free competitor). He suggests dropping in on Steve Hughes at one of their training workshops. The next one is in Los Angeles on December 4.)

Comment author: brilee 24 November 2009 02:43:41PM 3 points [-]

(Joined just to comment!, been stalking for a while)

I find that sightreading music actually works well. If I'm wide awake/alert, I can sightread bach fugues with 4 voices, and I can mentally actively keep track of them simultaneously. On the low end of the scale, I find that I can only concentrate on one voice at a time and my sightreading performance drops significantly. I also play blitz go, but the problem is that you don't realize then your moves are bad, and it's only when you review your games the next day it's obvious that you've played bad moves.

Another trick I use is to remember as many tunes, and their names, as possible. (This works better if you've listened to and memorized a /lot/ of different songs and are theoretically capable of recalling over a thousand songs). If I'm tired, I usually run into mental blocks when trying to remember how a specific song started.

Re: several people above who said they could monitor their own cognitive state with practice; I'm definitely developing that skill.

Comment author: pdf23ds 24 November 2009 08:37:54AM *  3 points [-]

Seth Roberts used a balance test to measure cognitive functioning to help determine whether various cognition-enhancing supplements were working. He would stand on a small platform and measure the time before he fell off, repeated like 5 times. One of his readers came up with another measure--arithmetic drills. A sheet full of single-digit addition or multiplication problems. The measure, of course, is time to completion.

I have a version of Tetris I think might be useful towards this end. In my version of the game, the speed increases when you clear lines and decreases when you stack them up, (and the lines shift down when you fill up the well so there's no game over,) so your average speed can indicate the level of attention you can sustain. If anyone's interested I can publish it. (Developed on Windows, might possibly work on Linux, or even OSX.) OTOH, I'm not completely sure how well this measure works, because there seems to be a significant degree of variation within a single, short playing session. A good test would have little random variation in the results of immediately repeated tests. You'd probably want to do some experiments to see how long the session would have to be to reach a suitably low variation.

The problem with all of the suggestions in the thread so far is that even if they correlate well with one's mental performance in general, they correlate much less well with individual tasks. Particular tests might be more correlated to particular tasks than others, but unless you know how correlated your test and task are, you won't be able to draw any good conclusions. Ideally one would have some sort of factor analysis that one could categorize tests and tasks in, so you could pick the best matching test for your intended task.

I'd wager the correlation between performance of different tasks in various mental states for a person over a few weeks or months (excluding skill improvements) is probably around .3 - .6.

Comment author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 23 November 2009 08:48:31PM 5 points [-]

I second this question and a good solution might be highly important to my productivity.

Comment author: Vladimir_Nesov 27 November 2009 04:09:55PM *  2 points [-]

The problem is - other than observing deterioration of results, I have no idea if I'm in such a state or not. I cannot be sure if it's also true for others...

It doesn't need to get to results, the quality of the process can also be observed, so that lack of productivity is catched early:

  • Being sleepy
  • Not being able to follow a math book fast enough
  • Not being able to reliably set up a problem statement in imagination
  • Not being able to find a right word in conversation/writing

Performing some activity that isn't in itself useful seems like a waste of time anyway, since the problem is finding a task for the day that you can actually cope with -- so, if something is too difficult, degrade gracefully :-)

Comment author: denisbider 25 November 2009 07:26:57PM *  2 points [-]

I have found that my ability to solve complex problems is to some extent separate from my willpower to solve those problems.

One way I've measured my ability has been by solving Sudoku puzzles on my mobile phone. I try to solve them without "pencilmarks", so that I put down a number only when I'm sure where it belongs, in an attempt to hone my working memory and focus.

I've found that, when my brain is not working that well, I keep finding that I've just retraced the same logical steps from just a few moments ago, because I've forgotten the conclusion in the meanwhile.

I've also found that, when I feel exhausted and not at all like doing any work, my Sudoku solving skills are actually quite good - so feeling tired can be separate from actual (in)ability.

Comment author: Phoenixism 24 November 2009 03:55:58AM 2 points [-]

Reminds me of an experiment I read about in which subjects were given a pencil and a piece of paper and asked to strike the paper with the lead as much as they possibly could in a set amount of time. I believe this gave the experimenters a baseline upon which they could judge the participants' ongoing performance. If I remember correctly, they discovered that on days when the subjects' pencil strikes fell well below their average, they were more prone to accidents, injury, other physical mishaps.

Seems to me the exercise the test subjects participated in was a good measure of physical and mental prowess. These 2 facets of our physical state are obviously conjoined and do not commonly act independently of each other.

I lift weights 3 days a week and I keep a log which I write in during the workout. I jot weights, reps, sets, etc. I encounter days in which I add the weight incorrectly, forget to put a plate on the bar, write the wrong figures...a host of mental mistakes which always seem to go hand-in-hand with terrible work outs in which my muscles seem just as sluggish as my brain.

Comment author: Mycroft65536 24 November 2009 12:05:00AM 2 points [-]

I play a quick game of minesweeper on my phone. If I get a decent hard map solved in under 1 min I'm sharp. An easy map under 15 seconds. If i lose, I try and figure out if it was random or poor judgment. It's not as good as some other tests mentioned, but it's fast and mobile.

Comment author: self-actualizing 23 November 2009 08:38:16PM 2 points [-]

I have a 'calibration' set of puzzles that I do each morning. Put the ol' brain through its paces, if you will. Kakuro, Suduko, Cryptoquote, Jumble. I used to play daily Set. (www.setgame.com) It all boils down to pattern recognition, but I do feel better knowing that that bit of memory is still intact and relatively accessible. ;)

Comment author: saliency 23 November 2009 11:59:32PM *  1 point [-]

I think the key is to have a third party test you. Ideally this third party has created a profile of you.

The above is better then selecting test yourself. I think you could do better though.

My solution would be to give an interactive test that gives you a harder or easier questions based off of how you answer the questions. I would incorporate this with a profile so that when you come back the next day it knows what level of questions to give you. Ideally you could test several types of IQ with few questions.

The tests-questions-games like the above posts would be designed to be fun.

At the end the test would tell you how you preformed compared to other times.

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Comment author: RobinZ 25 November 2009 06:06:46PM 1 point [-]

-1s happen - note it, try to figure out why, but it's not really a "wow".

Comment author: RichardKennaway 23 November 2009 07:31:26PM 2 points [-]

How do you test yourself?

By paying attention, not only to what I am doing, but to how well I am doing it.

Comment author: Zvi 24 November 2009 05:29:56PM 0 points [-]

This works, but it's often too late by the time that it does...

Comment author: Jonathan_Graehl 23 November 2009 08:43:46PM 0 points [-]

That sounds tiring :)

Comment author: RichardKennaway 23 November 2009 11:26:28PM 1 point [-]

Not as tiring as pressing on without noticing you aren't getting anything done.

Comment author: Jonathan_Graehl 26 January 2011 02:55:50AM 1 point [-]

I agree more with this comment more now than I did last year.

Comment author: Jordan 23 November 2009 10:16:51PM *  3 points [-]

I've paid close attention to my productivity and general cognitive agility for the last few years. I've found that it gets easier and easier to track, to the point that I can now identify how sharp I am on a given day without actually testing my mettle.

My sole motivation for tracking was to identify correlations between diet and cognition (which has been a pretty successful program). I imagine that once you start using predictions to inform your work schedule you have to be very careful you aren't tricking yourself to avoid work.

Comment author: jimmy 24 November 2009 12:38:00AM 6 points [-]

Would you mind sharing the results of your diet and cognition experiments?

Comment author: Jordan 24 November 2009 04:44:26AM 7 points [-]

Sure. I should mention before hand that I wouldn't expect my results to generalize to anyone else. I started tracking my diet when I began having health problems and distinct cognitive impairment. I imagine the majority of the benefit I've achieved from diet has been due to correcting things wrong rather than improving things right. That said, here's a brief overview:

Foods that rapidly bring on brain fog, degree dependent on quantity: Raw carrots, raw bell peppers, peanut butter, walnuts, pure sugar (even natural sources, such as sugarcane, but tentatively not honey), bananas, raw apples, enriched grains (tentatively, I've only tried this experiment half a dozen times), tofu.

Whether the food is cooked or not seems to matter, but I've only experimented with this for a handful of foods.

Among the foods I do eat I prefer those that provide an even level of energy over time, to avoid crashes: lean protein, oats, olive oil, non-starchy vegetables; however, there are foods/drinks that provide positive cognitive benefit in the short run, such as: some alcoholic drinks, starchy vegetables (yams, sweet potatoes), coffee, mint tea.

For the sake of simplicity in analysis I almost always restrict my meals to 4-5 ingredients, and almost never eat out.

Comment author: denisbider 25 November 2009 07:20:20PM 1 point [-]

My own observations about myself have been much more accidental, but I can add the following to your list:

  • Onions and mushrooms. Don't eat any of that in quantity if you want to stay alert. Large quantities of either make me want to sleep.

  • Lactose. I realized belatedly that I'm apparently lactose intolerant, like most people (depending on origin) over the age of 4. To avoid crashing, make your breakfast cereal with lactose-free milk.

Comment author: Jordan 28 November 2009 07:23:38PM 0 points [-]

I'm lactose intolerant as well. I refused to believe it most of my life. Ice cream was too delicious and cold cereal too convenient.

Comment author: jimmy 25 November 2009 08:07:38PM 0 points [-]

It still might generalize a bit if others have the same things wrong. I'd be interested to hear what sort of back story you have to make this a bigger problem for you.

I'll try to pay attention when eating those sorts of foods and see if I notice anything different.

Comment author: Jordan 28 November 2009 08:10:31PM 3 points [-]

True, I'm sure some others could gain something useful, but a health forum would probably be a better place for all the details. I think there's a small LessWrong walk away message though, so I'll elaborate a bit here.

I began having various symptoms about 5 years ago. The main things were heart issues (tachycardia, brachycardia, arrhythmias), digestive issues, low body temperature, and cognitive issues (confusion, reduced reflexes, poor multitasking). I was a typical junk food-eating,over caffeinated college student at the onset.

After about a year of worsening symptoms I sought out medical help. Multiple doctors had nothing to say. The last doc I saw diagnosed me with hypothermia. I slapped my face and decided I could do better on my own, and thus started my food experiments. It took a few years and was more difficult than I would have thought (being skinny I never realized how dependent I was on certain foods) but I finally converged on a diet that has largely eliminated all my symptoms.

Treating food like an experiment, rather than a source of pleasure or a chore, has been a great way to exercise rationality and will power. Nutrition is a complicated subject, confounded by conflicting information and individual differences. In addition there are numerous motivations for rationalizations (social pressure, convenience, cravings), and often little confidence about rational conclusions. Combine all that with a need to make level headed hypotheses and the ability to carry out the month long experiments and you have yourself a tricky exercise.

Comment author: whpearson 24 November 2009 11:50:52AM *  0 points [-]

Would you mind trying Isomaltulose

Comment author: James_Miller 24 November 2009 02:25:13AM 2 points [-]

There is a game on Lumosity.com called Chalkboard Challenge. It gives you two expressions and you have to quickly judge which is larger. The better you do, the more time you are given to play. There are often tricks you can use so you don't have to exactly compute the value of each expression. I find the game tests my brain more than anything else I do. My results are strongly correlated with my brain "strength" at a given moment.

You have to pay for a membership to play.

Comment author: Danneau 24 November 2009 08:26:48PM 1 point [-]


Comment author: fburnaby 24 November 2009 05:27:51PM 1 point [-]

Sorry for the non-answer here, but I take a different approach: I work when I feel like it.

I'll try getting stared on the actual work, whether I want to or not (you have to overcome that initial mental inertia). Then once I'm about half an hour in to the work, if I find myself watching the clock or thinking about how I should go check my RSS feeds, I'll stop and switch to my list of more mundane tasks.

Just summarize the first half-hour of your work, and if it's crap, move on and come back to it later. If it's crap, you broke even, and if it's not you've saved yourself a half-hour wasted on Quake.

Comment author: Stuart_Armstrong 24 November 2009 09:16:57AM 1 point [-]

Spelling. If I write something while tired, the spelling will always be mangled.

Comment author: Jonii 24 November 2009 08:58:11AM *  1 point [-]

This is offtopic, but anyway, since there seem to be many here that play online go, how about creating KGS room for lesswrongers? I'd be interested in playing with you guys. (This seemed partially related as so many mentioned "go" in some way in their responses. Dunno where else to throw a suggestion like this)

edit: Started a new thread here. If you're interested in playing with lesswrongers, reply there!

Comment author: Kaj_Sotala 24 November 2009 10:25:19AM 1 point [-]

Dunno where else to throw a suggestion like this

If you don't get any responses here, I'd suggest trying again in an Open Thread.

Comment author: Blueberry 25 November 2009 06:46:24AM 0 points [-]

Or an IGS channel? I almost always play on IGS (http://www.pandanet.co.jp/English/). It has a much better interface and higher signal-to-noise ratio.

Comment author: akshatrathi 25 November 2009 12:55:56AM 0 points [-]

I'd be interested in such a room.

Comment author: Jonii 25 November 2009 02:02:26AM 2 points [-]

I'll create one, should be either under "new rooms" or "social", named "LessWrong".

To help those interested, KGS is an acronym for Kiseido Go Server, url is http://gokgs.com, where you can either download a java app or use the one with your browser. Registering is not needed.

So, let's hope something good comes out of this.

Comment author: akshatrathi 26 November 2009 01:59:14AM 0 points [-]

I've joined KGS. Look forward to playing GO!

Comment author: GuySrinivasan 24 November 2009 04:37:25AM 1 point [-]

The most I have ever systematically done is during a weekend-long puzzle competition, with 12 people on my team, we decided that any time someone spent 30 minutes on a problem without making progress they should move to a different puzzle, and if they kept doing that, take their sleep. Dunno how well that translates to a domain where the problems aren't of known, order-of-magnitude-equal difficulty.

Comment author: steven0461 24 November 2009 01:17:05AM 1 point [-]

I've been using http://speedtest.10-fast-fingers.com/ but with no good evidence that it actually works.

Comment author: jimmy 24 November 2009 12:49:41AM 1 point [-]

Are you saying that you cant tell the difference between working normally and working a significantly below normally, or that even when you're seriously impaired you feel fine (eg after being awake for 30 hours)?

I have been trying to pay attention to my mental ability since I started taking piracetam (which does produce a noticeable improvement), and I'm usually pretty good at determining whether I'm working better or worse than average. I think I have better resolution there due to practice.

However, sometimes I make much less progress than expected (ie negative), which is evidence that there's some impairment that I'm blind to. Due to the inherent noise in how much 'progress' I make, this could be statistical flukes, though I doubt it.

Comment author: taw 24 November 2009 02:50:12AM 3 points [-]

Are you saying that you cant tell the difference between working normally and working a significantly below normally, or that even when you're seriously impaired you feel fine (eg after being awake for 30 hours)?

I cannot, or at least until it gets to really extreme levels, and not reliably in any case.

My sleepiness is not terribly correlated with my levels sleep deprivation - this could be taken to ridiculous levels back when I tried Provigil, as I didn't feel sleepy or tired or impaired in any way, after weeks of sleeping just a couple of hours a day, even though my performance suffered massively (as verified retrospectively by svn logs and such), and got back to high levels as soon as I slept it over.

Normally it's not as extreme, but significant drop in performance happens many hours before I feel sleepy or tired, and can usually be fixed by a short 1-2h nap. It's even worse, as I don't know how sleepy I am - often I know I need some sleep, but my track record of predicting if it will be 1-2h nap or a full 8h sleep is hardly better than random. People with more regular 24h activity cycles probably don't have this problem as much.

Comment author: Morendil 23 November 2009 08:09:24PM 1 point [-]

Hmm, I have noticed myself rationalizing "I'm going to play just one game of blitz Go" as a test of my mental performance. I'm pretty sure it's a rationalization, and therefore works the other way round.

I would tend to be suspicious of the above tests on that basis, though I can hardly assume your mind's workings are in any way similar to mine. ;)

It would seem simpler to assume that your causal model (tiredness etc. -> loss of performance) is in general correct, and to organize your work accordingly.

Some time management approaches (e.g. GTD) encourage that sort of self-awareness by explicitly recognizing that some "contexts" (which can include your current self-assessed level of energy if you set your GTD up that way) are more conducive to some kinds of work. This could be understood as a formalization of Structured Procrastination.

Comment author: patrissimo 06 December 2009 08:09:44PM 0 points [-]

Great question. Seth Roberts has studied this as part of self-experimentation. One of the major issues is finding tasks that don't have too large a learning effect, which somewhat confounds the data.

Comment author: aausch 04 December 2009 05:43:20AM 0 points [-]

I've been relying on various incarnations of TextTwist, and 9x9 GO playing AIs. Nowadays I run little apps on my phone for just this purpose.

Comment author: jasonw 25 November 2009 10:07:06PM 0 points [-]

As far as I can tell, nobody's suggested taking a properly scientific approach here.

Each time you want to measure, pick a small set of different tests to do and record the results. You should get enough data to do some decent stats quite quickly. You can discard any that correlate well with shorter tests.

You should include in the tests subjective self-assessment (maybe you're better at guessing than you think) and real-world task performance (even if it's just "tried to do something and gave up", "succeeded in complex task" etc)

(PS, I'm not a psychologist! No doubt there's all kinds of subtle tricks I'm missing here, but I think the principle is sound)

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Comment author: gwern 28 November 2009 02:59:39AM 4 points [-]

IQ tests as regular measurement tools are terrible ideas. You'll quickly burn through the doable ones available online, and you will have destroyed their reliability for yourself by test-retest and other learning effects. Almost any other test would be superior - play Grid Wars, for example.

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Comment author: gwern 28 November 2009 02:40:36PM 0 points [-]

Grid Wars is probably even better than Quake. If you're not alert, you'll know it in a few seconds rather than minutes, and there seems to be surprisingly little learning - my own high scores seem to be quite randomly distributed in time.

Comment author: Robin 25 November 2009 04:27:20AM *  0 points [-]

This reminds me of a story I was told about somebody who got so drunk that he forgot he was drunk and drove a car...

Though testing your mental capabilities is useful, there are some problems of trying to access your own mental state. First, if you believe your mental state varies throughout the day, then shouldn't your ability to access it also vary?

I'd say the tests provided by others are decent, but in many cases impractical or of limited use. Say you have to make an important boolean decision. You don't know how sharp your brain is, but you do know that the longer you delay the decision, the worse the outcome will be on average. Depending on how quickly the value of the decision is decaying, it might not make sense to spend hours trying to access your mental state. I don't know exactly how to solve a problem like this.

But I think that simplifying mental performance to a simple linear value doesn't do justice to the complexity of the brain. I find that while my brain has good times and bad times, it's generally more complicated than that. There are times when I can program or understand math well and there are times when my brain is better suited to writing or reading.

So you should try to access your mental performance in the domain of the tasks that you are trying to achieve. If you want to know how well you can do in trigonometry, try to remember the law of cosines. If you're trying to study constitutional law, try to recall all the amendments to the constitution. By focusing mental performance into a specific type of mental performance, you get much more accurate assessments.

Comment author: Yorick_Newsome 24 November 2009 10:56:46PM 0 points [-]

I play a a few 3 minute blitz chess games at FICS. That way my results are quantitative, as I can see my rating going up or down. It's also possible to play a single 3 minute blitz game and estimate how well I seem to be calculating variations and seeing simple tactics. Not the most time-efficient method, I suppose.

The main indicator of my mental state is when there are many candidate moves; if I'm tired or mentally sluggish, I will spend up to 15 precious seconds finding a strong move. When I am in good shape and am in the groove, I normally find a strong continuation in about 5 seconds.

Comment author: jimmy 24 November 2009 05:57:25PM 0 points [-]

Seth Roberts worked on the same problem when trying to determine if omega 3 helped his brain performance.


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Comment author: Jonii 24 November 2009 07:53:56AM 0 points [-]


This IQ-test could work. The questions are generated on-the-fly to match your level, and there is really little time to give the answer, so alertness is needed too.

Comment author: orangecat 25 November 2009 01:26:34AM 0 points [-]

That was rather interesting. I got a 137 but beyond the first few questions I wasn't sure of any of them. Usually the best I could do was identify a possible sub-pattern, narrow down the options based on that, and make an educated guess. I think I did better on the ones with varying numbers of dots and lines compared to the ones with just the shapes moving and morphing.

Presumably if somebody took that test repeatedly (or possibly once if they're smarter than me), they'd figure out the class of algorithms being used and it would lose most of its value for determining immediate mental performance.

Comment author: Jonii 25 November 2009 02:42:25AM 1 point [-]

Actually, nope, I think that's exactly why it would make such an excellent benchmark for mental performance. The algorithms are surprisingly simple and after learning those, it's all about applying that limited library to the problem. Fast. If your performance is above average, you can do this a lot easier and faster and with less errors compared to a situation where you're not doing as well.

Comment author: Bo102010 24 November 2009 02:06:42AM 0 points [-]

I have a game on my phone from Lumosity.com called SpeedBrain. If I'm well rested or caffeinated I seem to perform better.

It's a nice little game, but I don't subscribe to any of their claims about how awesome their games are.

Comment author: lavalamp 24 November 2009 01:34:11AM 0 points [-]

I have attempted to use freerice.com for this purpose (I was interested in quantifying just exactly how stupid I was, in real time, while I adapted to polyphasic sleeping. The answer was pretty damn stupid, but I didn't really need a test to tell me that). I can't say the results track particularly well with how I'm feeling subjectively, but I can't really say which of those is in error. At any rate, this probably doesn't measure very many components of intelligence. I didn't keep up with it because it is slow and it's hard to know when to stop and record your level.

Go problems would be more of a laziness test for me. The ones that are easy enough to not require work I probably know just as well in my sleep.

Comment author: Sebastian_Hagen 29 November 2009 03:25:10PM 0 points [-]

quantifying just exactly how stupid I was, in real time, while I adapted to polyphasic sleeping.

Could you give a short report on how PS worked out for you in the end? Saving on downtime seems like a major potential win to me, but probably isn't worth it if you have to trade any measurable amount of intelligence for it.

I'd be interested in more empirical data regarding the advantages and disadvantages of PS over a monophasic sleep shedule.

Comment author: lavalamp 30 November 2009 03:23:58AM 1 point [-]

Intelligence returns to normal if not better (my subjective opinion) once completely adapted and no longer sleep deprived. That takes around a month.

I'm still experimenting with different schedules; I may post something here on it eventually in the anti-akrasia category, as the posts here were one of the things that motivated me to try it in the first place.

Comment author: Vladimir_Nesov 30 November 2009 10:28:09AM 1 point [-]

Intelligence returns to normal if not better (my subjective opinion) once completely adapted and no longer sleep deprived. That takes around a month.

I wouldn't believe my own subjective estimate on such things, only something objectively verifiable counts. It's too intangible, and a month is too long to accurately remember your own experience, to boot through a lens of what is possibly a different mental condition.

Comment author: lavalamp 30 November 2009 10:01:35PM 0 points [-]

I got very familiar with what it feels like to be at a particular level of of sleep deprivation in the course of adaptation, so I think my subjective opinion there is probably not so far off, but I agree I can't really expect anyone else to have much faith in it.

I've attended one go tournament since I started, and I achieved a result better than my last few tournaments. OK, and I just beat my record at freerice.com. Other than that it will be difficult to come up with good data, as I've never taken an IQ test in my life. I should have taken an online one at least before I started, but I didn't think of it until it was too late, and I don't really trust the online ones anyway

Comment author: maahbaloch 23 November 2009 11:02:26PM 0 points [-]

I think either of three methods listed by you do not really present the exact quantification of your mental performance. Your performance on these tests will most probably depend on your interest in that particular kind of test. Therefore any results that you may get from these tests will have that subjectivity in them brought to the entire process by your level of interest for that particular kind of test.

Comment author: taw 24 November 2009 02:43:18AM 0 points [-]

One big advantage of the three tests I described is that I usually get very good binary outcome - yes or no. It's not so with most other computer games, or other tests I tried. And they're all quite pleasant activities - even if I wouldn't necessarily want to spend an entire evening playing Quake 3 or doing go problems, I'm usually quite happy to spend 10 minutes on them.