righteousreason comments on Rationality Quotes November 2009 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: righteousreason 30 November 2009 02:11:34AM 2 points [-]

I don't see how this reveals his motive at all. He could easily be a person motivated to make the best contributions to science as he can, for entirely altruistic reasons. His reasoning was that he could make better contributions elsewhere, and it's entirely plausible for him to have left the field for ultimately altruistic, purely non-selfish reasons.

And what is it about selfishness exactly that is so bad?

Comment author: Technologos 30 November 2009 08:31:54AM 10 points [-]

If making a major contribution seemed so easy, and would be harder in some other field, it sure would suggest that his comparative advantage in the easy field is much greater; would not that suggest that he ought to devote his efforts there, since other people have proven relatively capable in the harder fields?

Comment author: Tiiba 01 December 2009 09:42:04AM *  9 points [-]

"And what is it about selfishness exactly that is so bad?"

It's fine and dandy in me, but I tend to discourage it in other people. I find that I get what I want faster that way.

Now give me some cash.

Comment author: righteousreason 01 December 2009 05:55:47PM 0 points [-]
Comment author: Yorick_Newsome 30 November 2009 02:40:14AM 3 points [-]

"the quality of being selfish, the condition of habitually putting one's own interests before those of others" - wiktionary

I can imagine a super giant mega list of situations where that would be bad, even if selfishness is often a good thing. There's a reason 'selfishness' has negative connotations.

Comment author: DanArmak 30 November 2009 05:21:19PM 4 points [-]

I can imagine a super giant mega list of situations where love is a bad thing, too. Like when people kill themselves or others. That doesn't mean its default connotations should be negative.

The reason "selfishness" has negative connotations are at least partly due to Western culture (with Christian antecedents in "man is fundamentally evil" and "seek not pleasure in this life"). They're not objectively valid.

Comment author: Yorick_Newsome 01 December 2009 01:27:56AM 3 points [-]

Point taken, I just think that it's normally not good. I also think that maybe, for instance, libertarians and liberals have different conceptions of selfishness that lead the former to go 'yay, selfishness!' and the latter to go 'boo, selfishness!'. Are they talking about the same thing? Are we talking about the same thing? In my personal experience, selfishness has always been demanding half of the pie when fairness is one-third, leading to conflict and bad experiences that could have been avoided. We might just have different conceptions of selfishness.

Comment author: akshatrathi 30 November 2009 04:48:00PM 1 point [-]

He may have, for his own reasons, not been happy with the ease with which he achieved something great. His selfishness at this point is not for the fact that he may still be able to contribute to the field and yet he chooses not to but for the fact that he will be happier if he had to work harder on something before achieving greatness. That is his value system. I think his choice is justifiable.

Comment author: righteousreason 30 November 2009 10:20:04PM 4 points [-]

Sure, but it's also reasonable for him to think that contributing something that was much harder would be that much more of a contribution to his goal (whatever those selfish or non-selfish goals are), after all, something hard for him would be much harder or impossible for someone less capable.