taw comments on Rationality Quotes November 2009 - Less Wrong

8 Post author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 29 November 2009 11:36PM

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Comment author: taw 30 November 2009 06:11:56AM 8 points [-]

We have no evidence and reasoning about morality that doesn't depend on morality in the first place, is-ought problem which I won't repeat here.

Empirically, everyone derives their morality from society's norm developed in messy historical processes. Why one messy historical process is better than other by any objective standard is not clear.

By some standards we have less suffering than past times, but we're also vastly wealthier. It's not clear at all to me that wealth-adjusted suffering now is lower than historically - modern moral standards say it's fine to let 1.5 million children a year die of diarrhea because they happen to be born in a wrong country. I can imagine some of the past moral systems would be less happy about it than we are.

Comment author: RobinZ 30 November 2009 01:07:24PM *  3 points [-]

One: See above.

Two: The very fact that you can say:

modern moral standards say it's fine to let 1.5 million children a year die of diarrhea because they happen to be born in a wrong country.

...and expect me to draw your implied conclusion refutes the very claim itself. What do you think makes me appalled that children are dying of diarrhea, aesthetics? That we haven't yet fixed a problem doesn't prove that it meets our approval - after all, people still die everywhere.