Nick_Tarleton comments on New Year's Predictions Thread - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Nick_Tarleton 01 January 2010 06:29:11AM *  2 points [-]

I think I'd give better-than-even odds for either date, and would be shocked if no one else would. How are you defining "Earth-like" and "habitable"?

Comment author: Unknowns 01 January 2010 06:40:11AM 2 points [-]

I think he just meant with liquid water, some type of atmosphere, and approximately earth sized. Given this, my guess is that they find one within the next three years. If he meant "habitable" to human beings without protection, i.e. oxygen atmosphere etc., then this is extremely unlikely (less than 2% chance) that they will find such a thing by 2020.

Comment author: gwern 19 August 2010 08:49:45AM 0 points [-]

Is it possible to have liquid water without life? I remember reading that an oxygen atmosphere was quite impossible, but am not sure about liquid water.

Comment author: Unknowns 19 August 2010 10:28:57AM 0 points [-]

There could be an oxygen atmosphere without life for a short period of a planet's history (I'm not sure how long.) It wouldn't be possible for it to remain permanently.

According to our evidence, Mars had liquid water for a very long period, but no one considers this to be proof that there was life there.

Comment author: gwern 20 August 2010 09:03:34AM 0 points [-]

According to our evidence, Mars had liquid water for a very long period,

I went to check this - maybe liquid water is a short-term enough thing that its mere presence is still weak evidence for an active biosphere, but apparently one timeline puts liquid water as present in large quantities for >600 million years. Bleh.

Comment author: Kevin 01 January 2010 07:18:00AM 0 points [-]

Yes.

Comment author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 01 January 2010 09:07:15AM 0 points [-]

I'm not sure we have the technology to make that call even if such a planet does, in fact, lie within range of our telescopes.

Comment author: Kevin 01 January 2010 10:36:22AM 0 points [-]

We don't. My prediction then is only almost certainly true if we define habitable as a planet in a sun's habitable zone. However, I still think finding a habitable planet, per Unknowns's definition, is likely to happen by 2020.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=101493448

If Kepler does indeed find hundreds of planets in habitable zones, that should get the popular imagination going enough for the successor to Kepler to be very well funded. Kepler Mark II in the air by 2017?

Comment author: wedrifid 01 January 2010 06:44:40AM 1 point [-]

I think I'd give better-than-even odds for either date, and would be shocked if no one else would.

At even odds I would take a loan to make the bet.