ciphergoth comments on New Year's Predictions Thread - Less Wrong

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Comment author: ciphergoth 02 January 2010 11:37:05AM 0 points [-]

From the wording, it seemed that the 50% was for any attack, not just one with Pakistan involved. I think I'm on to a pretty good bet even without it. It's not as unlikely as a US state seceding, but I didn't want to wait ten years :-)

Comment author: MatthewB 02 January 2010 12:12:48PM 1 point [-]

The US State seceding is something that many of my friends sit around contemplating. We have had speculations about whether it will be a state like Mississippi, or South Carolina (Red), or if it will be a state like California or Oregon (Blue).

The Red States are pretty easy to understand why they might wish to secede from the heathen atheistic socialist nazi USA... But, the motivations for a Blue State are a bit more complex.

For instance, in California, I have noticed a lot of people complaining about how much money this state pays into Social Security, yet only gets back about 10% of that money. If we were able to get back all of it, instead of supporting states like South Carolina or Mississippi, we would be able to go a long way toward solving many of our own social ills. Not to mention that many in CA chafe under having to belong to the same union as states such as those I have mentioned, and thus have issues with being able to even pursue social solutions that might pay off big (Stem Cell research, Legalization & regulation of narcotics, work and skills training for inmates - and socialization skills for the same, infrastructure work to which the USA is slow to commit, and so on).

All of these are also issues that Red States like to brag about being able to focus on if they were to secede. The only problem with most Red States is, just like in the Civil War, they have little to no economy of their own. Texas (Maybe Florida) is really the exception. Also, should a Red State secede, most of the best and brightest would flee the state (Academics usually don't like working under ideological bonds, for instance).

It will be interesting to see what would happen should a state try to secede. I think it could be the best thing that could happen to our country if things continue to become divisive.

Comment author: timtyler 02 January 2010 11:51:44AM *  0 points [-]

Oh, I see - sorry!

I looked into who was going to win such a bet.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_assassinations_and_acts_of_terrorism_against_Americans

...looks like a reasonable resource on the topic.

Comment author: ciphergoth 02 January 2010 01:22:35PM 0 points [-]

I'm not sure that the acts of a single person with no associations with anyone else are really the sort of thing I had in mind, but it's too late to refine the bet now, so we'll see whether people think such a thing counts if we need to.

Comment author: timtyler 02 January 2010 01:28:49PM *  0 points [-]

"10 or more people [...] as the result of a deliberate attack" seems to suggest that 10 assassinations in 2010 would probably not qualify - unless it was proved that they were all linked. My summary of the link is that there have been few terrorist attacks against Americans on American soil recently.

Comment author: ciphergoth 02 January 2010 03:36:11PM 0 points [-]

Agreed.