byrnema comments on Normal Cryonics - Less Wrong

58 Post author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 19 January 2010 07:08PM

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Comment author: byrnema 21 January 2010 02:06:06AM *  0 points [-]

AFAYCT? You think most Americans are irrational. Why would you expect to have a good model of how they think?

Take sexing of babies. At first, 'people' were vocal about how it wouldn't be natural to know the baby's sex, and people still extol the virtues of 'being surprised' when the baby is born. But it was something doctors offered and over time, pragmatic people ignored critical voices and started doing it, and culture changed.

Culture is changed by being normal. 'People' probably dislike the idea of cryonics because you connect it with singularity concepts -- your utopia is not everyone's utopia. Let them imagine their own future.

Comment author: wedrifid 21 January 2010 02:16:34AM *  3 points [-]

Your comment is not internally consistent. You present a model which predicts that people will not sign up for cryonics even if they think it is not a scam.

Comment author: byrnema 21 January 2010 02:23:59AM -1 points [-]

It's a generally true thing, not a worked out linear argument.

I contend that parents don't have access to cryonics. The rest is just random bullets of indignation.

Comment author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 21 January 2010 06:49:42PM 3 points [-]

It's a generally true thing, not a worked out linear argument.

Which just goes to say, you see what I'm saying? There you go.

Comment author: wedrifid 21 January 2010 02:25:50AM 2 points [-]

The rest is just random bullets of indignation.

Yes, and the fact that they contradict one another is significant to me.

Comment author: byrnema 21 January 2010 02:36:42AM *  1 point [-]

Well the first contradiction was that I was giving ad advice to a company I accused of being elitist. The contradiction was not lost upon me; but if I have a probability that they're doing X, I can hedge by also betting on Y. Anyway, a cryonics company isn't a monolith; I'm sure they've got their different internal perspectives. Which leads to my second set of contradictions about people -- but people aren't a monolith either.

Young husbands will go along with cryonics because they like Terminator, and 40-something mothers will go along with cryonics because there isn't a cure for that chromosomal anomaly now but there might be in 5 years. Or maybe it will buy someone extra time to have another baby to provide cord blood. The problem is trying to sell them a vision of a weird far distant future instead of just providing a service.