bgrah449 comments on Normal Cryonics - Less Wrong

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Comment author: bgrah449 22 January 2010 07:49:49PM *  1 point [-]

I'm sure that there are people in Alcor who feel extra pressure, knowing that if cryonics doesn't work, they're essentially scamming their members.

Why?

EDIT: Why are you sure of this, I mean.

Comment author: byrnema 22 January 2010 08:21:50PM 0 points [-]

Because I'm sure that some of them have good intentions. They might know that they're doing their best to give people a chance, but if they're human (?) they would also feel the responsibility of all these people depending upon them.

Comment author: MichaelGR 22 January 2010 08:35:56PM 1 point [-]

All you say in this comment seems true, but not the part in your previous comment about "if cryonics doesn't work, they're essentially scamming their members."

If I pay firefighters to extinguish the fire that is burning down my house, and they try, do the best they can under the conditions they have to work in, but my house still burns down in the end, have they scammed me?

I don't think "scam" is the right word.

I'm sure the employees of cryonics organizations would be extremely disappointed if cryonics somehow didn't work, and they would probably feel sad for the loss of many potential lives, but if they actually tried their best, I highly doubt that they'd feel like they did something morally wrong or scam-like.

AFAIK, no serious Cryonics organization with actual facilities is guaranteeing a result (being revived). In legalese, it's a "best efforts obligation" rather than an "obligation to achieve a specific result".

Comment author: byrnema 22 January 2010 08:56:22PM 2 points [-]

I concede that the service that they're actually providing is an opportunity for revival only. That has a value, and people are willing to pay for that value.

The cryonics facility owner who thinks of it exactly like this will sleep well at night. However, people usually have more complex relationships with reality. The cryonics owner knows he is selling optimism about cryonics. Do you think he would feel that it was moral to continue selling memberships if he thought the probability was virtually zero?

Comment author: bgrah449 22 January 2010 09:08:25PM 1 point [-]

Unless the seller is withholding information that would change the buyers' estimates, how he feels about the product is immaterial.