ciphergoth comments on Normal Cryonics

36Eliezer_Yudkowsky19 January 2010 07:08PM

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ciphergoth07 February 2010 08:53:58PM* 8 points [-]

I've written a 2000 word blog article on my efforts to find the best anti-cryonics writing I can:

A survey of anti-cryonics writing

Edit: now a top level article

orthonormal07 February 2010 11:08:18PM5 points [-]

An excellent post.

I have one issue, though. It may be poor form to alter your opening paragraph at this stage, Paul, but I'd appreciate it if you did. While it makes a very good 'hook' for those of us inclined to take cryonics seriously, it means that posting a link for other friends (as I'd otherwise do) will have the opposite effect than it should. (I am fairly sure that a person inclined to be suspicious of cryonics would read the first few lines only, departing in the knowledge that their suspicions were confirmed.)

An introduction that is at first glance equivocal would be a great improvement over one that is at first glance committed to the anti-cryonics viewpoint, for that reason.

ciphergoth07 February 2010 11:17:11PM0 points [-]

Thanks!

I am inclined to agree, but I can't work out how. I found it pretty difficult to get started writing that, and that way seemed to work. If you can give me any more specific ideas on how best to fix it, I might well try. Have saved first version in version control!

JGWeissman07 February 2010 11:25:28PM1 point [-]

Suggested edit:

Cryonics is controversial. Critics claim the idea that we could freeze someone today in such a way that future technology might be able to re-animate them is nothing more than wishful thinking on the desire to avoid death, dressed up in scientific-sounding language. Criticisms include ...

ciphergoth08 February 2010 12:18:50AM0 points [-]

I did something like this in the end.

orthonormal07 February 2010 11:36:52PM0 points [-]

The Feynman anecdote actually seems to me like the best place to begin, both for literary interest and for a clearer introduction. If you started there, you could take the rest of that paragraph almost unchanged (inserting the parenthetical definition of cryonics from your current first paragraph) before introducing the skeptics' links and continuing as before?

ciphergoth07 February 2010 11:47:27PM0 points [-]

Just had a go, but I can't quite make it work; the skeptic's links seem hard to introduce.

Morendil07 February 2010 11:32:11PM* 0 points [-]

Suggested edits:

  • turn the opening sentence into a question, "Is cryonics pseudoscience ?"
  • change "is nothing more than wishful thinking" into "could be nothing more", etc.
  • change "If you don't believe that, you can read" into "This is the point of view argued in"
  • strike "This makes me sad, because", so the sentence starts "To my naive eyes"

This way your hook is neutral enough to draw everyone in.

ETA: I would be careful with the £25/mo quote, until and unless you get a quote from Rudi Hoffman or elsewhere. At least mention that the pricing is one of those logistical issues you've promised to cover in further posts.

Eliezer_Yudkowsky07 February 2010 11:15:51PM0 points [-]

Agreed.

Kevin07 February 2010 09:40:08PM2 points [-]

Top-level post it

Eliezer_Yudkowsky07 February 2010 11:16:10PM* 5 points [-]

Me too. This is not just about cryonics. It is not remotely just about cryonics. It is about the general quality of published argument that you can expect to find against a true contrarian idea, as opposed to a false contrarian idea.

whpearson07 February 2010 11:39:15PM1 point [-]

I now want to go and look for the pre-chemistry arguments against alchemy.

I don't think that cryonics is inherently wrong, but equally I don't think we have a theory or language of identity and mind sufficiently advanced to refute it.

ciphergoth07 February 2010 11:37:42PM0 points [-]

I've posted a link to my blog at the moment; do you think it's better that the entire article be included here?

Eliezer_Yudkowsky08 February 2010 01:24:04AM1 point [-]

yep

ciphergoth08 February 2010 08:39:08AM0 points [-]

Done.