JGWeissman comments on Normal Cryonics - Less Wrong

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Comment author: JGWeissman 14 November 2010 12:06:25AM 0 points [-]

How surprised are you, using your theory of the fragility and complexity of the human mind, that human minds exist at all?

Comment author: georgepennellmartin 14 November 2010 12:41:02AM 0 points [-]

I wouldn't say surprising as much but amazing and awe-inspiring definetly. That the human mind could be created without intent but simple trial and error is (ironically) miraculous

Comment author: JGWeissman 14 November 2010 12:59:18AM 1 point [-]

Then, since your theory calls something that did in fact happen "miraculous" (you would not have expected it to happen), you should consider that the complexity and fragility of the human mind may be more manageable that you previously thought.

Comment author: georgepennellmartin 14 November 2010 01:37:26AM 1 point [-]

Yes your right, however it could also be less 'manageable' that I thought, I don't believe science has reached the stage where we can know yet which it is. Perhaps I'm being a bit too pessimistic however. In the meantime I'll try and keep an open mind.

Comment author: JGWeissman 14 November 2010 01:47:49AM 2 points [-]

however it could also be less 'manageable' that I thought

That is countering evidence with an appeal to ignorance. The point is that theories claiming the complexity and fragility are more manageable assign a higher prior probability to the event of human minds evolving, and thus, by Bayes' Theorem, observing that human minds have actually evolved, you should assign higher probability to the theories that claim more manageability.

Comment author: georgepennellmartin 14 November 2010 02:11:36AM 0 points [-]

I would but I keep remembering Elidier Yudkowsky's anecdote about the professor who set his student the task of creating robotic vision, it seems to me that at every turn science has underestimated the challenge ahead. Ultimately I do believe the mind will be understood completely, just that it will be too late for us.

Comment author: JGWeissman 14 November 2010 02:37:16AM 2 points [-]

Ultimately I do believe the mind will be understood completely, just that it will be too late for us.

The whole point of cryonics is to push back when it will be too late, by preserving all the information about you that someone with a general understanding the human mind could use to reinstantiate your specific human mind. You don't need to understand the revival process at the time you are frozen.