wedrifid comments on Deontology for Consequentialists - Less Wrong

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Comment author: wedrifid 31 January 2010 08:07:49PM *  8 points [-]

Is there a standard reply in deontology? The standard reply of a consequentialist, of course, is the utility function.

I don't know whether there is a standard reply in deontology but the appropriate reply is using a function equivalent to the utility function by a consequentialist.

  • Take the concept of the utility function
  • Rename it to something suitably impressive (but I'll just go with the bland 'deontological decision function')
  • Replace 'utility of this decision' with 'rightness of this decision'.
  • A primitive utility function may include a term for 'my bank balance'. A primitive deontological decision function would have a term for "Not telling a lie".

Obviously, the 'deontological decision function' sacrifices the unbreakable criteria. This is appropriate when making a fair comparison between consequentialist and deontological decisions. The utility function sacrifice absolute reliance on one particular desideratum in order to accommodate all the others.

For the sake of completeness I'll iterate what seem to be the only possible approaches that actually allow having multiple unbreakable rules.

1) Only allow unbreakable rules that never contradict each other. This involves making the rules more complex. For example:

  • Always rescue puppies.
  • Never lie, except if it saves the life of puppies.
  • Do not commit adultery unless you are prostituting yourself in order to donate to the (R)SPCA.

Such a system is results in an approximation of the continuous deontological decision function.

2) Just have a single unbreakable meta-rule. For example:

  • Always do the most right thing in the deontological decision function. Or,
  • Always maximise utility.

These responses amount to "Hack a deontological system with unbreakable rules to work around the spirit of either 'unbreakable' or 'deontological'" and I include them only for completeness. My main point is that a deontological approach can be practically the same as the consequentialist 'utility function' approach.

Comment author: wedrifid 01 February 2010 02:49:22AM 1 point [-]

It disappoints me that this comment is currently at -1. Of all the comments I have made in the last week this was probably my favourite and it remains so now.

If "the standard reply of a consequentialist is the utility function" then the analogous reply of a deontologist is something very similar. It is unreasonable to compare consequentialism with a utility function with a deontological system in which rules are 'unbreakable'. The latter is an absurd caricature of deontological reasoning that is only worth mentioning at all because deontologists are on average less inclined to follow their undeveloped thoughts through to the natural conclusion.

Was my post downvoted because...?

  1. Someone disagrees that a 'function' system applies to deontology just as it applies to consiquentialism.
  2. I have missed the fact that conclusion is universally apparent and I am stating the obvious.
  3. I included an appendix to acknowledge the consequences of the 'universal rule' system and elaborate on what a coherent system will look like if this universality can not be let go.
Comment author: Alicorn 01 February 2010 02:55:20AM 2 points [-]

I haven't voted on your comment. I like parts of it, but found other parts very hard to interpret, to the point where they might have altered the reading of the parts I like, and so I was left with no way to assess its content. If I had downvoted, it would be because of the confusion and a desire to see fewer confusing comments.

Comment author: wedrifid 01 February 2010 03:10:21AM *  1 point [-]

Thankyou. A reasonable judgement. Not something that is trivial to rectify but certainly not an objection to object to.