Eliezer_Yudkowsky comments on "Outside View!" as Conversation-Halter - Less Wrong

49 Post author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 24 February 2010 05:53AM

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Comment author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 24 February 2010 06:33:37PM *  9 points [-]

Large communities don't constitute help or progress on the "beyond the realm of feedback" problem. In the absence of feedback, how is a community supposed to know when one of its members has made progress? Even with feedback we have cases like psychotherapy and dietary science where experimental results are simply ignored. Look at the case of physics and many-worlds. What has "diversity" done for the Singularity so far? Kurzweil has gotten more people talking about "the Singularity" - and lo, the average wit of the majority hath fallen. If anything, trying to throw a large community at the problem just guarantees that you get the average result of failure, rather than being able to notice one of the rare individuals or minority communities that can make progress using lower amounts of evidence.

I may even go so far as to call "applause light" or "unrelated charge of positive affect" on the invocation of a "diverse community" here, because of the degree to which the solution fails to address the problem.

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Comment author: wedrifid 24 February 2010 08:24:47PM 1 point [-]

Good question. It seems that academic philosophy does, to an extent, achieve this.

With some of my engagements with academic philosophers in mind I have at times been tempted to lament that that 'extent' wasn't rather a lot greater. Of course, that may be 'the glass is half empty' thinking. I intuit that there is potential for a larger body of contributers to have even more of a correcting influence of the kind that you mention than what we see in practice!

Comment author: CarlShulman 24 February 2010 11:36:34PM 1 point [-]

Many-worlds has made steady progress since it was invented. Especially early on, trying to bring in diversity would get you some many-worlds proponents rather than none, and their views would tend to spread.

Comment author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 25 February 2010 02:10:54AM *  1 point [-]

Think of how much more progress could have been made if the early many-worlds proponents had gotten together and formed a private colloquium of the sane, providing only that they had access to the same amount of per capita grant funding (this latter point being not about a need for diversity but a need to pander to gatekeepers).