khafra comments on Open Thread: March 2010, part 3 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: khafra 19 March 2010 01:34:26PM 4 points [-]

Outlawing AI research was successful in Dune, but unsuccessful in Mass Effect. But I've never seen AI research fictionally outlawed until it's done actual harm, and I seen no reason to expect a different outcome in reality. It seems a very unlikely candidate for the type of moral panic that tends to get unusual things outlawed.

Comment author: SilasBarta 19 March 2010 02:10:56PM 4 points [-]

Fictional evidence should be avoided. Also, this subject seems very prime for a moral panic, i.e., "these guys are making Terminator".

Comment author: h-H 20 March 2010 08:41:38PM 1 point [-]

how would it be stopped if it were illegal? unless information tech suddenly goes away it's impossible.

Comment author: khafra 21 March 2010 10:01:44PM 2 points [-]

NancyLebovitz wasn't suggesting that the risks of UFAI would be averted by legislation; rather, that such legislation would change the research landscape, and make it harder for SIAI to continue to do what it does--preparation would be warranted if such legislation were likely. I don't think it's likely enough to be worth dedicating thought and action to, especially thought and action which would otherwise go toward SIAI's primary goals.

Comment author: NancyLebovitz 21 March 2010 11:12:26PM 2 points [-]

Bingo. That's exactly what I was concerned about.

You're probably right that there's no practical thing to be done now. I'm sure you're know very quickly if restrictions on independent AI research are being considered.

The more I think about it, the more I think a specialized self-optimizing AI (or several such, competing with each other) could do real damage to the financial markets, but I don't know if there are precautions for that one.

Comment author: NancyLebovitz 19 March 2010 02:30:49PM 3 points [-]

I've been thinking about that, and I believe you're right that laws typically don't get passed against hypothetical harms, and also that AI research isn't the kind of thing that's enough fun to think about to set off a moral panic.

However, I'm not sure whether real harm that society can recover from is a possibility.

I'm basing the possibility on two premises-- that a lot of people thinking about AI aren't as concerned about the risks as SIAI, and computer programs are frequently gotten to the point where they work somewhat.

Suppose that a self-improving AI breaks the financial markets-- there might just be efforts to protect the markets, or AI might be an issue in itself.

Comment author: cousin_it 22 March 2010 02:35:18PM *  1 point [-]

laws typically don't get passed against hypothetical harms

Witchcraft? Labeling of GM food?

Comment author: NancyLebovitz 22 March 2010 03:04:01PM 2 points [-]

Those are legitimate examples. I think overreaction to rare events (like the difficulties added to travel and the damage to the rights of suspects after 9/11) is more common, but I can't prove it.

Comment author: RobinZ 22 March 2010 02:49:32PM *  0 points [-]

Some kinds of GM food cause different allergic reactions than their ancestral cultivars. I think you can justifiably care to a similar extent as you care about the difference between a Gala apple and a Golden Delicious apple.

Edit: Granted, most of the reaction is very much overblown.