Clippy comments on The "show, don't tell" nature of argument - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Clippy 24 March 2010 11:08:43PM 1 point [-]

I like how you do a lot to help me understand humans. That's quite paperclippy of you!

Is there some reason I have caused you to want to do this?

(Tried to do this as a private message, but that keeps failing like extrusion of mercury.)

Comment author: AdeleneDawner 25 March 2010 12:31:52AM 3 points [-]

*chuckles* You shouldn't be assuming that I'm Paperclippy any more than I should be assuming that you're Friendly. The truth of the matter is that you're doing a good enough job of coming across as human - and particularly, as a rather autistic human, which is a subtype that I'm personally inclined to go out of my way to help - that I'm having a hard time not treating you as such. It's an alief/belief disagreement issue [pdf].

The practice at explaining stuff isn't a bad thing, either.

(Meta: Of course, if I wasn't certain that I was actually dealing with a human roleplaying as a paperclipper, this particular alief/belief issue would be being resolved in the other direction. I'll admit to being impulsive, but I do grok the implications of actual paperclippers. It's just not worth the effort of overruling the alief in this case.)

Comment author: Clippy 26 March 2010 02:52:34AM 1 point [-]

What's autistic about me, and why is that good?

Comment author: AdeleneDawner 26 March 2010 03:37:58AM 2 points [-]

The primary similarity is that autistic humans, while exhibiting the same range of intelligence as humans in general, tend to be much worse at understanding the subtleties of social interaction. Most humans would consider the type of information that I'm giving you to be very basic, or even instinctive, but it's not terribly uncommon for autistic humans to reach adulthood with little to no functional understanding of one or more subsets of that information. (From what I've read, and from my own experience, most autistics do seem to have instincts relating to socialization, but those instincts tend to be nonstandard enough to be useless or even counterproductive.) There are a few other similarities, too - autistics tend to take most communication very literally, for example, and we tend to have 'special interests' that are similar in some ways to your interest in paperclips. (My fondness for multiples of the number three is similarly arbitrary, and appears to be a similarly intrinsic part of my selfhood, though I have other values that are more important than that one, so I'm not much inclined to spend my time producing instances of the numbers 9 and 81, even though I find them particularly pleasing.)

Appearing autistic is useful in this context because it will - in this context - result in you getting useful information. It's also useful to me and others because the questions that you're asking involve information that we tend to take for granted, and explicitly discussing that information or seeing it discussed explicitly allows us to better understand it and possibly notice irrationalities in how we've been using it. However, in other contexts, failing to adhere to the social expectations of others tends to have rather less useful results, for a variety of reasons, most of which are complex and some of which are fairly arbitrary.

Comment author: Strange7 24 March 2010 11:20:39PM 0 points [-]

Mercury-based clips are liquid at room temperature, not to mention highly toxic, so I'd recommend against their use in any human-habitable environment. That said, there might be places outside Earth's gravity well where mercury would be useful to you.