Morendil comments on Abnormal Cryonics - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Morendil 28 May 2010 07:11:35AM 13 points [-]

This post, like many others around this theme, revolves around the rationality of cryonics from the subjective standpoint of a potential cryopatient, and it seems to assume a certain set of circumstances for that patient: relatively young, healthy, functional in society.

I've been wondering for a while about the rationality of cryonics from a societal standpoint, as applied to potential cryopatients in significantly different circumstances; two categories specifically stand out, death row inmates and terminal patients.

This article cites the cost of a death row inmate (over serving a life sentence) to $90K. This is a case where we already allow that society may drastically curtail an individual's right to control their own destiny. It would cost less to place someone in cryonic suspension than to execute him, and in so doing we would provide a chance, however small, that a wrongful conviction could be reversed in the future.

As for terminal patients, this article says:

Aggressive treatments attempting to prolong life in terminally ill people typically continue far too long. Reflecting this overaggressive end-of-life treatment, the Health Care Finance Administration reported that about 25% of Medicare funds are spent in the last 6 months of life (about $68 billion in 2003 or $42,000 per dying patient). Actually, the last 6 months of a Medicare recipient's life consumes about $80,000 for medical services, since Medicare pays only 53% of the bill. Dying cancer patients cost twice the average amount or about $160,000.

These costs are comparable to that charged for cryopreservation. It seems to me that it would be rational (as a cost reduction measure) to offer patients diagnosed with a likely terminal illness the voluntary option of being cryopreserved. At worst, if cryonics doesn't work, this amounts to an "assisted suicide", something that many progressive groups are already lobbying for.

Comment author: byrnema 28 May 2010 11:59:55AM *  7 points [-]

It would cost less to place someone in cryonic suspension than to execute him, and in so doing we would provide a chance, however small, that a wrongful conviction could be reversed in the future.

Also, depending upon advances in psychology, there could be the opportunity for real rehabilitation in the future. A remorseful criminal afraid they cannot change may prefer cryopreservation.

Comment author: cjb 28 May 2010 07:16:08PM 6 points [-]

It would cost less to place someone in cryonic suspension than to execute him, and in so doing we would provide a chance, however small, that a wrongful conviction could be reversed in the future.

Hm, I don't think that works -- the extra cost is from the stronger degree of evidence and exhaustive appeals process required before the inmate is killed, right? If you want to suspend the inmate before those appeals then you've curtailed their right to put together a strong defence against being killed, and if you want to suspend the inmate after those appeals then you haven't actually saved any of that money.

.. or did I miss something?

Comment author: Morendil 28 May 2010 07:48:28PM 4 points [-]

the extra cost is from the stronger degree of evidence and exhaustive appeals process required before the inmate is killed, right?

Some of it is from more expensive incarceration, but you're right. This has one detailed breakdown:

  • Extra defense costs for capital cases in trial phase $13,180,385
  • Extra payments to jurors $224,640
  • Capital post-conviction costs $7,473,556
  • Resentencing hearings $594,216
  • Prison system $169,617

However, we're assuming that with cryonics as an option the entire process would stay the same. That needn't be the case.