Eliezer_Yudkowsky comments on Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality discussion thread - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 29 July 2010 10:40:00PM *  7 points [-]

What we don't expect is for him to talk casually about committing rape, considering that nobody in the series does

Those are the children's books version, and MoR is not a children's book, nor is most fanfiction. If you'll pardon the size of the hypothetical: If the Death Eaters actually existed, no way in hell are the males not committing rape.

Comment author: Alicorn 29 July 2010 10:43:16PM 2 points [-]

If the Death Eaters actually existed, no way in hell are the males not committing rape.

This is true. But even among works of fanfiction, the ones that point this out tend to also be the ones that are full of sex acts in general, which MoR is not.

Comment author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 29 July 2010 10:50:19PM *  7 points [-]

MoR points things out for the sake of pointing them out, by way of trying to teach the art of the awakened mind. Actually I'm not clear on what if anything we're arguing about at this point.

Comment author: katydee 30 July 2010 12:45:59AM 1 point [-]

I see no need to limit that claim to the males.

Comment author: ata 30 July 2010 07:31:58AM *  0 points [-]

Those are the children's books version, and MoR is not a children's book, nor is most fanfiction. If you'll pardon the size of the hypothetical: If the Death Eaters actually existed, no way in hell are the males not committing rape.

I agree. My point was only that, in the context of the canon, having an 11-year-old boy talk about committing rape seems more jarringly unexpectednarratively, not inferentially — than having him talk about committing torture and murder (or having an adult Death Eater commit or talk about committing rape), relating to my point that the "Which of these characters has crossed the moral event horizon?" question was probably not relevant to people's actual objections.

(For the record, I'm not arguing the line shouldn't be there, and I don't disagree at all with your rationale for including it. I'm just trying to imagine the thinking of people who did react negatively to it.)