JoshuaZ comments on Open Thread: July 2010 - Less Wrong

6 Post author: komponisto 01 July 2010 09:20PM

You are viewing a comment permalink. View the original post to see all comments and the full post content.

Comments (653)

You are viewing a single comment's thread. Show more comments above.

Comment author: JoshuaZ 02 July 2010 02:42:52AM 6 points [-]

Ok. Wrongbot has already given you the standard reading list, but I'd like to address this specifically.

The zeroth reason you've been voted down is that this comes across as spamming. No one likes to see a comment of apparently marginal relevance with lots of links to another website with minimal explanation.

Moving on from that, how will the general LW reader respond when reading the above? Let me more or less summarize the thought processes.

There are three ways to experience the world: sensations, feelings and thoughts. In the perception process, sensations come first, followed by feelings and then thoughts.

How do you define these three things? How do you know that they are everything? What is your experimental evidence?

The genetically endowed instinctual passions, and their concomitant feelings, form themselves into an inchoate sense of being a self (I/me) separate from the physical body. Suffering is tied to this self/feelings.

Ok. So now you've made some claim that sounds like the common dualist intuition is somehow due to genetics. That's plausibly true, but would need evidence. The claim that this form of dualism leads to "suffering" seems to be generic Buddhism.

Eradication of self/feelings, and thus suffering, has been accomplished on October 1992 by a man from Australia named Richard; followed by more beginning this year.

So now a testimonial of personal claims about enlightenment. That's going to go over real well with the empircists here.

And now, in 2010, for the first time, Buddhists at DharmaOverground have begun to consider this new way of life sincerely. To begin with, here is an account from Daniel Ingram (a self-proclaimed Arahat) about the awesomeness of Pure Consciousness Experience compared to any other mode of experience that Humanity has known thus far.

And now we get more testimonials, an explicit connection to Buddhism, and some undefined terms thrown in for good measure (what does it mean for someone to be "self-proclaimed Arahat"? If one doesn't know what an Arahat is then this means very little. If one is familiar with the term in Buddhist and Jainist beliefs then one isn't likely to see much of value in this claim).

At this point, the LWer concludes that this message amounts to religious spam or close to that. Then the LWer gets annoyed that scanning this message took up time from their finite lifespan that could be spent in a way that creates more positive utility (whether reading an interesting scientific paper, thinking about the problem of Friendly AI, napping, or even just watching silly cats on Youtube). And then they express their annoyance by downvoting you.

Comment author: pjeby 02 July 2010 03:01:21PM 4 points [-]

And then they express their annoyance by downvoting you.

Following which, they use more of their finite lifespan to comment in reply, in the hopes of feeling a momentary elevation of status, plus a lifetime of karma enhancements, that will maybe make up for the previous loss of time. ;-)

(For the record, I upvoted you anyway. ;-) )