dclayh comments on Christopher Hitchens and Cryonics - Less Wrong

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Comment author: dclayh 08 August 2010 09:34:01PM *  8 points [-]

I've observed that the world's most awesome people are pretty strongly connected, graph-theoretically. I would bet that there are well fewer than six degrees between, say, Eliezer and Hitchens under the relation "good friends with".

Comment author: MichaelVassar 09 August 2010 07:09:38PM *  17 points [-]

Randi's speaking at the Summit. I'll talk with him.

Comment author: ciphergoth 10 August 2010 04:05:14PM 11 points [-]

Thank you.

I'm guessing that if you do that, most of the things we could do over and above that would be positively counterproductive - would you agree?

Comment author: MichaelVassar 10 August 2010 10:12:28PM 9 points [-]

Yes.

Comment author: ata 17 August 2010 04:40:22AM 3 points [-]

How did this go? I recall he made a comment in his talk that was less anti-death (with respect to his own life, at least) than we might have hoped...

Comment author: Risto_Saarelma 09 August 2010 04:54:23AM 10 points [-]

Of course a different cluster of awesome people not strongly connected to the one we know about wouldn't be one we know about. For example, I can't think of any awesome people who are active principally in East Asia or India, and it's demographically unlikely that there aren't any.

Even worse, I'm not really aware of awesome people who are active primarily in Continental Europe as opposed to the Anglosphere. Europeans use English as a trade tongue, but not really for building cultural communities. So there isn't an easy way to figure out what's going on around Europe without knowing a bunch of languages.

Comment author: Oligopsony 09 August 2010 05:08:17AM 9 points [-]

This might be easier to investigate if you gave us an operational definition of "awesome." If it reduces to "those you admire," and it probably does, it shouldn't be surprising that they're all clustered together. You find new people to admire by the recommendations and name-droppings of those who have similar tastes to you.

Comment author: dclayh 09 August 2010 06:12:33AM *  3 points [-]

Okay, the people who promote a certain cluster of ideas centering on skepticism, rationalism, atheism and libertarianism, in the U.S. and culturally connected nations. (Which, yes, is quite close to "people I admire". I wasn't trying to claim it was especially surprising, although I am often surprised at just how tight it is.) In particular:

  • Eliezer
  • Robin Hanson
  • Steve Landsburg
  • Peter Thiel
  • Patri Friedman
  • James Randi
  • Penn Jillette (and Teller)
  • Adam Savage & Jamie Hynaman
  • Trey Parker & Matt Stone
  • Dawkins
  • Hitchens

and probably some others I can't think of right now.

Comment author: XiXiDu 09 August 2010 03:32:48PM 4 points [-]

Some may not know this, Steven Landsburg is a member here since I posted a quotation from his latest book. Here is a highly interesting discussion that resulted from it.

Comment author: MatthewB 09 August 2010 03:19:26PM 4 points [-]

How About Eliezer, Peter Thiel, Peter Diamandis, done... I know that Peter Diamandis would NOT be turned away by Hitchens... Now, it is just a matter of getting ahold of a few mullionaire/billionaire types...

Comment author: ciphergoth 09 August 2010 03:54:09PM 2 points [-]

This is a tempting approach. I'm guessing, though, that if Diamandis was going to go around promoting cryonics to his friends, he'd have done it already; but maybe he'd be sympathetic enough to pass on a letter, or something?

Comment author: Unknowns 09 August 2010 07:04:41AM 2 points [-]

Most English speakers probably are that closely connected. If you reduce it to "is acquainted with", most people in the world.

Comment author: TobyBartels 10 August 2010 02:21:35AM 5 points [-]

The problem with connecting to somebody is to know how you're already close. A depth-6 search of the acquaintance graph is unmanageable from any starting point outside of the few remaining uncontacted tribes.

Comment author: MartinB 09 August 2010 01:00:38AM 3 points [-]

The four horseman probably are, one of them being Randi who speaks soon the singinst conference.

Comment author: CarlShulman 09 August 2010 01:04:40AM 9 points [-]

The four horsemen are Dennett, Hitchens, Harris and Dawkins, no?

Comment author: Jonathan_Graehl 09 August 2010 04:15:01AM 2 points [-]

I always feel embarrassed for them when I hear them called that.

Comment author: ciphergoth 09 August 2010 05:31:34AM 9 points [-]

They have sort-of adopted the label. I'm thinking of the lecture at which Dennett put his hand up and started a question with "I'm Dan Dennett, one of the four horsemen of atheism, and I'd like to ask..."

Comment author: MartinB 09 August 2010 02:08:53AM 1 point [-]

Oh my, I confused them.