Randaly comments on Two straw men fighting - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Randaly 09 August 2010 04:52:35PM 1 point [-]

As I recall, Eliezer's definition of consciousness is borrowed from GEB- it's when the mind examines itself, essentially. That has very real physical consequences, so the idea of non-conscious AGI doesn't support the idea of zombies, which require consciousness to have no physical effects.

Comment author: Unknowns 09 August 2010 04:57:54PM 0 points [-]

Any AGI would be able to examine itself, so if that is the definition of consciousness, every intelligence would be conscious. But Eliezer denies the latter, so he also implicitly denies that definition of consciousness.

Comment author: JoshuaZ 09 August 2010 05:02:20PM 0 points [-]

Any AGI would be able to examine itself, so if that is the definition of consciousness, every intelligence would be conscious. But Eliezer denies the latter, so he also implicitly denies that definition of consciousness.

I'm not sure I am parsing correctly what you've wrote. It may rest with your use of the word "intelligence"- how are you defining that term?

Comment author: Unknowns 09 August 2010 05:03:31PM *  0 points [-]

You could replace it with "AI." Any AI can examine itself, so any AI will be conscious, if consciousness is or results from examining itself. I agree with this, but Eliezer does not.