Peterdjones comments on Two straw men fighting - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Peterdjones 22 April 2011 02:38:44PM 0 points [-]

I do not see what you mean by the Copernican Principle. Perhaps you imagine that someone has said only humans have FW. I have not.,

A naturalistic libertarian can concede that indeterministic electrons don't have free will, just as a compatibilist can concede that deterministic electrons don't have FW. Neither thinks (in)determinism is a sufficient condition of FW.

Comment author: Manfred 22 April 2011 07:51:52PM 2 points [-]

True, but I am saying that if randomness is not enough to have free will (does a nondeterministic chinese room have free will?), then you would either need to replicate a compatibilist argument for how humans have free will, or have some extra laws that specify high-level concepts like free will (a.k.a. "magic").

Comment author: Peterdjones 22 April 2011 08:09:00PM *  0 points [-]

No. I need an incompatibilist argument. I need randomness plus something to be necessary for FW, and I need the something extra to be naturalistic. And I have them, too.

A non deterministic CR, or other AI, could have FW, if programmed correctly. That's a consequence of naturalism.

Comment author: Manfred 22 April 2011 09:53:23PM 0 points [-]

Huh, I accidentally posted this. I thought I'd deleted it as true but irrelevant.

Comment author: Manfred 22 April 2011 08:04:07PM 0 points [-]

Ah, yeah, I was wrong.