Psy-Kosh comments on Open Thread, August 2010-- part 2 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Psy-Kosh 11 August 2010 08:29:25PM *  3 points [-]

This may be a stupid question, but...

There're a couple of psych effects we have evidence for. Specifically, we have evidence for a sort of consistency effect. For example (relevant to my question) there's apparently evidence for stuff like if someone ends up tending to do small favors for others or being nice to them/etc, they'll be willing to continue to do so, more easily willing to do bigger things later.

And there's also willpower/niceness "used up"ness effects, whereby apparently (as I understand it), one might do one nice thing then, feeling they "filled up their virtue quota" be nasty elsewhere. (ie, apparently one of the less obvious dangers of religion is you, say, go to church or whatever, and thus later in the day you don't even bother tipping (or tip poorly) when you go to a restaurant because you're "already virtuous" and thus don't have to do any more.)

How is it that we can simultaneously have evidence of these two things when they directly contradict each other? Or am I being totally stupid here?

(EDIT: just to clarify, I meant I was asking "How can it be that the sum total of evidence support both these positions when they seem to me to directly contradict each other?")

Comment author: FAWS 11 August 2010 08:43:47PM 3 points [-]

As fas as I understand they operate on different scales. "Used up" effects operate on much shorter time scales, and consistency effects (often?) operate on more specific things than general niceness.

Comment author: Psy-Kosh 11 August 2010 10:15:00PM 0 points [-]

Ah, if so, then thank you. (Huh, I'd thought consistency effects were supposed to work on short time scales too.)

Comment author: khafra 12 August 2010 05:10:32PM 2 points [-]

The classic post says effects persist for two weeks, at least. So it would seem that the response curves of the two effects cross each other at one or two points. I'd be interested to see studies plotting them against each other; it is an interesting dichotomy.

Comment author: Psy-Kosh 12 August 2010 11:15:46PM 0 points [-]

Thanks. And yeah, that's a fair point and question. (Hrm... how exactly would one measure the response curves anyways in any quantitative way? ie, sure, "how many people respond after delay X vs delay Y, etc...", but any way to directly measure the strength of the effect rather than simply measuring when it "falls below measurability"?