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Comment author: jacob_cannell 25 August 2010 03:33:31AM 0 points [-]

Why is AGI a math problem? What is abstract about it?

We don't need math proofs to know if AGI is possible. It is, the brain is living proof.

We don't need math proofs to know how to build AGI - we can reverse engineer the brain.

Comment author: timtyler 25 August 2010 06:01:54AM *  0 points [-]

Why is AGI a math problem? What is abstract about it?

This is a good part of the guts of it. That bit of it is a math problem:

http://timtyler.org/sequence_prediction/

Comment author: timtyler 25 August 2010 06:11:48AM *  0 points [-]

We don't need math proofs to know how to build AGI - we can reverse engineer the brain.

There may be a few clues in there - but engineers are likely to get to the goal looong before the emulators arrive - and engineers are math-friendly.

Comment author: jacob_cannell 25 August 2010 07:08:26AM -2 points [-]

A 'few clues' sounds like a gross underestimation. It is the only working example, so it certainly contains all the clues, not just a few. The question of course is how much of a shortcut is possible. The answer to date seems to be: none to slim.

I agree engineers reverse engineering will succeed way ahead of full emulation, that wasn't my point.

Comment author: timtyler 25 August 2010 07:38:41AM 0 points [-]

If information is not extracted and used, it doesn't qualify as being a "clue".

The question of course is how much of a shortcut is possible. The answer to date seems to be: none to slim.

The search oracles and stockmarketbot makers have paid precious little attention to the brain. They are based on engineering principles instead.

I agree engineers reverse engineering will succeed way ahead of full emulation,

Most engineers spend very little time on reverse-engineering nature. There is a little "bioinspiration" - but inspiration is a bit different from wholescale copying.