Benquo comments on Vote Qualifications, Not Issues - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Benquo 27 September 2010 05:50:38PM 6 points [-]

Doesn't it depend on how different their values are?

As an illustration, let's suppose each politician has a general competence score 0 <= C <= 1, where 1 means they achieve exactly what they stand for, and 0 means no better than random (e.g. a rock).

The other important factor is how much overlap there is between your preferences/values - suppose that the magnitude assigned to an issue scales with how much you care about it. Let's define the value overlap as 0 <= V <= 1, and the proportion of issues you disagree on as (1 - V).

Then the net movement toward your preferences this politician achieves is: V * C - (1-V) * C = C * (2V - 1)

So as long as V > 1/2 (i.e., you agree on more than you disagree on), more competence is a good thing. For example, I'd rather have someone with whom I agree with on 80% of the issues and is 80% competent, than someone with whom I agree with 90% of the issues and is 50% competent.

We don't tend to argue about issues where there is strong value overlap (for example, no one's going to come out explicitly in favor of bribery, or executing innocent people, or another recession), but politicians can still make a difference on these issues, so I thing there's strong reason to suspect that V > 1/2 for most politicians.

Of course, not every failure to achieve a goal is due to honest incompetence. If a politician intentionally speaks in favor of a policy with no intention of carrying it out, measures of general intelligence like GPA or IQ should not be as good at predicting this kind of "incompetence" as they should be at predicting honest incompetence. However, more specific measures of competence, like a politician's past record, should be helpful in predicting how effectively current promises will be kept.

Comment author: nerzhin 27 September 2010 06:44:54PM 5 points [-]

there's strong reason to suspect that V > 1/2 for most politicians.

An important point. We are, after all, talking about human politicians here, not Clippy.

Comment author: wnoise 27 September 2010 09:35:00PM 1 point [-]

So as long as V > 1/2 (i.e., you agree on more than you disagree on), more competence is a good thing.

No, because improvements in most areas have a cutoff: making the tax-structure better enough to compensate for the loss due to some other odious position simply might not be possible.

And there are a host of non-linear effects like that, from voting coalitions to simply non-linear utility functions.

Comment author: Nick_Tarleton 28 September 2010 01:28:53AM *  1 point [-]

You can substitute some measure taking the structure of your preferences into account, e.g. some measure of the difference in your utility* between their and your perfect political outcomes.

*pretending that humans have utility functions

Comment author: wnoise 28 September 2010 01:39:07AM *  0 points [-]

Absolutely. That is exactly what you have to do. My point is that if you have:

utility = sum over policy areas of ability-to-change(policy) times (your-worth(their-preferred(policy)) - your-worth(default(policy)))

Most summaries of ability-to-change(policy) as a single number will have examples of your-worth(their-preferred(policy)) such that increasing their overall ability to implement their platform does worse, even in the cases where they broadly agree with you.