timtyler comments on Ben Goertzel: The Singularity Institute's Scary Idea (and Why I Don't Buy It) - Less Wrong

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Comment author: timtyler 04 November 2010 08:36:09AM 0 points [-]

One distinctive feature of the hypothetical "paperclipers" is that they attempt to leave a low-entropy state behind - one which other organisms would normally munch through. Humans don't tend to do that - like most living things, they keep consuming until there is (practically) nothing left - and then move on.

Leaving a low entropy state behind seems like the defining feature of the phenomenon to me. From that perspective, a human civilisation would not really qualify.

Comment author: PhilGoetz 07 November 2010 02:58:05PM *  0 points [-]

It sounds like you're saying humanity is worse than paperclips, if what distinguishes them is that they increase entropy more.

Comment author: timtyler 07 November 2010 04:16:13PM -1 points [-]

Only if you adopt the old-fashioned "entropy is bad" mindset.

However, life is a great increaser of entropy - and potentially the greatest.

If you are against entropy, you are against life - so I figure we are all pro-entropy.