lucidfox comments on Gender Identity and Rationality - Less Wrong

35 Post author: lucidfox 01 December 2010 04:32PM

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Comment author: lucidfox 02 December 2010 08:36:43AM *  -2 points [-]

I have long thought along the same vein simply because this is what everyone asserts, and in fact it could be the conflict between that belief and my rationalist principles that caused me mental discomfort - way before I discovered Less Wrong.

The problem, as it often is, in the matter of definitions. How do we define this "inherent gender"? Can it change later in life? If someone discovered their gender identity at a later age, does that mean that previously to that they behaved according to a "non-inherent gender" but were somehow consciously unaware of this? Can we build a brain scanner that detects it in a quantifiable way, and can we be sure that it will always match self-reporting? And most importantly, if we do that, can we be sure of 100% correlation between that characteristic and the expected utility of various options of gender presentation?

Comment author: ciphergoth 02 December 2010 09:19:53AM 14 points [-]

I'm not sure the right approach involves trying to clarify this idea of "inherent gender". I think I'd rather treat it the way Yvain treats "disease" here: look for the various characteristics people track using gender terms and address them separately.

Comment author: lucidfox 02 December 2010 09:25:35AM 0 points [-]

Indeed.

It might help to taboo the words "gender", "male" and "female" and instead speak separately of the different (and numerous) aspects that compose the complex biological and social phenomena behind them.