Bugmaster comments on A sense of logic - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Bugmaster 27 April 2012 07:56:45PM 0 points [-]

I haven't read the book, but there's nothing wrong with the FTL communication and FTL travel tropes in science fiction, IMO. Yes, it makes no physical sense, but then, neither do fairies, and they can still be fun to read about.

Comment author: NancyLebovitz 28 April 2012 01:36:56PM *  0 points [-]

I don't have anything against ftl in sf, either, but that seemed like an astonishingly bad argument for making it plausible.

Now that I think about it, the book may be of interest to LWers because it's about telepathy making utilitarianism easier. And it's a reasonably good sf novel.

Comment author: TimS 28 April 2012 04:34:39PM 1 point [-]

Is there any decent moral theory that wouldn't be easier to implement with reliable telepathy?

Comment author: Bugmaster 29 April 2012 05:20:45AM 0 points [-]

It's hard to say, which moral theories you had in mind, and what do you mean by "decent" ? For example, a strictly rule-based deontological system, such as the one outlined in certain holy books, may not benefit from telepathy, since its rules focus solely on prescribing certain specific actions.

Comment author: SusanBrennan 28 April 2012 09:19:22PM 0 points [-]

Since this is LessWrong and there's a strong leaning towards a certain view of normative ethics, I had better ask this before I go any further. Would you consider any form of deontology or virtue ethics to be a "decent moral theory"? It feels like I should check this before commenting any further. I know, for example, that at least one person here (not naming names) has openly said that all non-consequentialist approaches to ethics are "insane".

Comment author: TimS 29 April 2012 04:59:23PM 0 points [-]

I am not one of those who thinks non-consequentialist ethics are inherently nonsense. Reflecting on my position slightly, I was saying:

1) A "decent" moral system will very likely have the property that misleading others about one's preferences will be advantageous to the individual, but bad for the group.

2) Telepathy makes misleading others about one's preferences more difficult. That assumes telepathy is essentially involuntary mind-reading. If it is more like reliable cell phone service, then I'm not sure telepathy would make any moral system easier to implement.

Comment author: Strange7 29 April 2012 08:47:35PM 1 point [-]

Telepathy that's more like reliable cellphone service would make a lot of general societal things, including any widely-agreed-upon moral system, easier to implement because transaction cost reductions benefit everyone involved.

Comment author: TheOtherDave 29 April 2012 06:47:05PM 0 points [-]

I expect that if telepathy of this sort were common, self-deception would be even more common than it already is.

Comment author: NancyLebovitz 28 April 2012 08:08:32PM 0 points [-]

Tentative: telepathy would be useful for consequentialism, but it would take more time and thought to gain the advantages from telepathy than it would for (preference?) utilitarianism.