katydee comments on Procedural Knowledge Gaps - Less Wrong

126 Post author: Alicorn 08 February 2011 03:17AM

You are viewing a comment permalink. View the original post to see all comments and the full post content.

Comments (1477)

You are viewing a single comment's thread. Show more comments above.

Comment author: katydee 08 February 2011 04:01:47AM 12 points [-]
Comment author: Blueberry 08 February 2011 08:04:57AM 7 points [-]

Great link, especially this quote from Part 2:

One probably could not devise a better system for keeping people with humanistic values away from power than by confining them to decade-long graduate programs with a long future of transient adjunct positions making less than the minimum wage.

Comment author: [deleted] 08 February 2011 04:18:20AM 4 points [-]

I agree. The odds are very much against you. And I say this as someone who likes the humanities and admires humanities professors.

If you have incredibly strong evidence in your favor that you're a special case, go for it, though -- but it should be incredibly strong evidence.

It's possible that it's easier to publish a philosophy book than to become a philosophy professor, if you're good at networking. Or to get some attention for your ideas through podcasts, etc., which you're already doing. If your goal is to do and write philosophy, optimize for that -- it's a different goal than becoming a professor.

Comment author: CronoDAS 08 February 2011 06:29:08AM 1 point [-]

This is a stronger argument against a doctorate than a Masters degree, but I imagine that the same kinds of considerations apply.

Comment author: lukeprog 08 February 2011 12:53:23PM 0 points [-]

Thanks. I've read many such articles more specific to philosophy, but that was one of the best. I don't really want to go through all that crap, but unfortunately there aren't many ways to do what I want with my life apart from getting a Ph.D. in philosophy.

Comment author: jsalvatier 08 February 2011 05:00:01PM 1 point [-]

What is it that you want to do with your life?

Comment author: lukeprog 08 February 2011 08:55:09PM 1 point [-]

Help solve the Friendly AI problem.

Comment author: Vladimir_Nesov 08 February 2011 09:39:44PM 5 points [-]

How is "getting a Ph.D. in philosophy" (as a formal distinction) helpful to this goal? Purely as a source of funding? Attempt to stimulate academia from the inside to work on the problem?

Comment author: lukeprog 08 February 2011 09:48:35PM 3 points [-]

Vladimir,

Yes; both of those.

As a source of funding, because SIAI is only one institution, whereas there are hundreds of decent philosophy departments I could apply to, however scarce positions are.

As an attempt to stimulate academia, because I am slightly more optimistic than SIAI's staff that (a few) mainstream academics can contribute usefully to the project of designing Friendly AI.

Comment author: David_Gerard 08 February 2011 10:35:41PM *  0 points [-]

Every philosopher I've found of actual personal interest in the modern day has crossed it with science or engineering of some sort (cognitive psychology, AI, etc). If you want to do philiosophy because you have an actual problem to solve, you'll do something of interest and have a usefulness test to keep you on track.

Comment author: gwern 08 February 2011 11:01:50PM *  5 points [-]

"The degeneration of philosophical schools in its turn is the consequence of the mistaken belief that one can philosophize without having been compelled to philosophize by problems outside philosophy...
Genuine philosophical problems are always rooted outside philosophy & they die if these roots decay...
These roots are easily forgotten by philosophers who 'study' philosophy instead of being forced into philosophy by the pressure of nonphilosophical problems."

--Karl Popper, Conjectures & Refutations, (pages 95-97)