endoself comments on Procedural Knowledge Gaps - Less Wrong

126 Post author: Alicorn 08 February 2011 03:17AM

You are viewing a comment permalink. View the original post to see all comments and the full post content.

Comments (1477)

You are viewing a single comment's thread. Show more comments above.

Comment author: endoself 09 February 2011 07:52:59PM 5 points [-]

Many people are religious without really examining the consequences of their beliefs. Also many people have religious beliefs that do not cause them to think irrationally about evolution, gay marriage, or abortion. I would expect many of these people to move toward atheism during a long-term relationship with a LessWronger.

Comment author: Dreaded_Anomaly 09 February 2011 10:39:28PM 1 point [-]

Many people are religious without really examining the consequences of their beliefs.

Yes, I've made that argument for abortion. However, that generally doesn't stop such people from being extremely convinced of their beliefs. I haven't had any success changing someone's mind about abortion with the aforementioned argument, despite how obvious it becomes that the person is merely acting out instructions without thinking about them.

Also many people have religious beliefs that do not cause them to think irrationally about evolution, gay marriage, or abortion.

Those were meant as examples, not a definitive list of topics. There are very few people whose religious beliefs don't cause them to think irrationally about some important issue.

I would expect many of these people to move toward atheism during a long-term relationship with a LessWronger.

I understand that, but I would be setting myself up for disappointment to expect that from any specific romantic partner who fell into that category.

Comment author: endoself 10 February 2011 04:15:56AM 1 point [-]

Those were meant as examples, not a definitive list of topics. There are very few people whose religious beliefs don't cause them to think irrationally about some important issue.

I realized this, but there seems to be a cluster in personspace of theists who are no less rational about the concepts on your list than the average atheist. If there are any topics that even these theists are irrational about, can you give examples?

I understand that, but I would be setting myself up for disappointment to expect that from any specific romantic partner who fell into that category.

Good point.

Comment author: Dreaded_Anomaly 10 February 2011 04:50:54AM 1 point [-]

I realized this, but there seems to be a cluster in personspace of theists who are no less rational about the concepts on your list than the average atheist. If there are any topics that even these theists are irrational about, can you give examples?

To be honest, I really haven't met enough theists in that cluster to be very confident about any examples. I can see the matter of church attendance (in general, in terms of the course of the relationship if it moves toward marriage, and later in terms of raising children) being an issue. It's not necessarily something that will come up right away, but I would see the specter of it hovering overhead. There's also the irrationality of religious beliefs themselves, e.g. the idea that God is both omnipotent and omnibenevolent, or the idea that Jesus performed miracles.