Clarity comments on A Rationalist's Account of Objectification? - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Clarity 21 October 2015 03:50:47PM *  -1 points [-]

edit: goddam formatting doesn't work with complex posts. PM me if you're interested in reading this in full...

For those who don't know, the above user is a rising star in feminist, men's rights, and that kind of circles. Or well, I've heard of him/her, and was surpised to see the name. So I'm stopping to comment.

I'd like to address some claims made about sexual fluidity that I find concerning.

  • Conversion therapy is stigmatised by scientific communities

  • Conversion therapy is primarily conducted by secular partners of religious organisations that were formed in protest of allegations of non-scientific approaches to LGBT psychiatry Some individuals sexual identitites are indeed fluid, as conceeded by psychiatric authorities, however, it the common misconception is that they aren't

  • However, defining sexualities as fluid is not neccersarily useful. There are well articulated (albeit unconvincing) teleological arguments suggesting that fluidity is essential to transition to homosexuality:

"There... was, as of 1995, essentially no research on the longitudinal stability of sexual orientation over the adult life span... It was... still an unanswered question whether...the measure of 'the complex components of sexual orientation as differentiated from other aspects of sexual identity at one point in time' will predict future behavior or orientation. Certainly, it is... not a good predictor of past behavior and self-identity, given the developmental process common to most gay men and lesbians (i.e., denial of homosexual interests and heterosexual experimentation prior to the coming-out process).

Comment author: bogus 21 October 2015 04:13:41PM 1 point [-]

My understanding is that people vary a lot as to how sexually fluid they are, and conversion therapy "works" on sexually fluid folks (albeit trivially, by getting them to change their overt behavior) but hurts those that are not. That's why it's criticized by the scientific community.