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88 Post author: lukeprog 28 March 2011 07:31PM

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Comment author: lukeprog 28 March 2011 10:17:05PM 0 points [-]

Fair enough; it's a magical category in one sense, and not a magical category in another sense.

Comment author: byrnema 28 March 2011 11:35:06PM 0 points [-]

In what sense is it a magical category?

Comment author: Strange7 29 March 2011 12:47:47PM 4 points [-]

Would it qualify as ironic if "magical categories" turned out to be a member of the set of all sets that contain themselves as members?

Comment author: Jack 29 March 2011 08:53:51PM 1 point [-]

I'm not sure I believe in non-magical categories.

Comment author: byrnema 29 March 2011 03:30:32PM *  0 points [-]

Would it qualify as ironic if "magical categories" turned out to be a member of the set of all sets that contain themselves as members?

I guess what is ironic is that if "magical categories" are themselves magical, we could never know that they are.

Further, not knowing the meaning of a magical category (not even knowing if the meaning is knowable) it is possible that the set of all sets that contain themselves is magical.

I'm trying to guess from the context, but I think that being a magical category means that there is no universal algorithm that could be applied to determine if an object x is contained within it. Suppose that this is the definition and that being a magical category strongly means that there is also no algorithm to determine if an object x is not contained within it.

All this to quip that if magical categories are magical, then they are contained in the set of all sets containing themselves. If magical categories are strongly magical, they are contained in and contain the set of sets containing themselves. (Since using the property of strongness, it would be impossible to determine if the set-of-sets-containing-themselves are magical or not, making the set-of-sets-containing-themselves magical.)