Jack comments on Philosophy: A Diseased Discipline - Less Wrong

88 Post author: lukeprog 28 March 2011 07:31PM

You are viewing a comment permalink. View the original post to see all comments and the full post content.

Article Navigation

Comments (425)

Tags: philosophy

Comments (425)

Sort By: Best

Show:

You are viewing a single comment's thread. Show more comments above.

Comment author: Jack 29 March 2011 10:03:53PM * 3 points [-]

You need to actually explain your point and not just keep repeating it.

Comment author: quen_tin comment score below threshold [+] (6 children)

Comment author: Jack 29 March 2011 10:41:25PM 1 point [-]

It may not suggest this to your satisfaction but it certainly suggests it remotely (and the mathematical model involves counterfactual dependencies of qualia, not just correlations). What does it mean to say that the universe is composed of qualia? That sounds like an obvious confusion between representation and reality.

Comment author: quen_tin 29 March 2011 10:58:56PM -1 points [-]

Well my opinion is that the confusion between representation and reality is on your side.

Indeed, a scientific model is a representation of reality - not reality. It can be found inside books or learned at school, it is interpreted. On the contrary, qualia are not represented but directly experienced. They are real.

That sounds obvious. No?

Comment author: FAWS 29 March 2011 11:19:57PM * 0 points [-]

That sounds obvious. No?

Not at all. What you call "qualia" could be the combination of a mental symbol, the connections and associations this symbol has and various abstract entities. When you experience experiencing such a "quale" the actual symbol might or might not be replaced with a symbol for the symbol, possibly using a set of neural machinery overlapping with the set for the actual symbol (so you can remember or imagine things without causing all of the involuntary reactions the actual experience causes)

Comment author: twanvl 29 March 2011 11:04:50PM 0 points [-]

qualia are not represented but directly experienced. Can you give a definition of these qualia?

That sounds obvious. Sounding obvious and being true are two very different things.

Comment author: quen_tin 29 March 2011 11:27:54PM 0 points [-]

I define qualia as the elements of my subjective experience. "That sounds obvious" was an euphemism. It's more than obvious that qualia are real, it's given, it is the only truth that does not need to be proven.

Comment author: twanvl 29 March 2011 10:41:46PM * 0 points [-]

Evidence suggests that the universe is composed of qualia.

Do you have some links to this evidence, or studies that come to this conclusion?

Jack comments on Philosophy: A Diseased Discipline - Less Wrong

Article Navigation

Comments (425)

Nearest Meetups

Virtual Study Room

Recent Comments

Recent Posts

Recent Rationality Quotes

Recent Wiki Edits

Top Contributors, 30 Days

Recent Karma Awards

Comments (425)

Top Contributors, 30 Days

You'll need to login or register to do that

(Don't worry, it only takes a few seconds)

Create

Login