lessdazed comments on Philosophy: A Diseased Discipline - Less Wrong

88 Post author: lukeprog 28 March 2011 07:31PM

You are viewing a comment permalink. View the original post to see all comments and the full post content.

Comments (425)

You are viewing a single comment's thread. Show more comments above.

Comment author: lessdazed 29 November 2011 01:54:27AM *  2 points [-]

is creating FAI primarily a philosophical challenge, or an engineering challenge ?

An analogy:

http://eccc.hpi-web.de/report/2011/108/

Computational complexity theory is a huge, sprawling field; naturally this essay will only touch on small parts of it...One might think that, once we know something is computable, whether it takes 10 seconds or 20 seconds to compute is obviously the concern of engineers rather than philosophers. But that conclusion would not be so obvious, if the question were one of 10 seconds versus 101010 seconds!
And indeed, in complexity theory, the quantitative gaps we care about are usually so vast that one has to consider them qualitative gaps as well. Think, for example, of the difference between reading a 400-page book and reading every possible such book, or between writing down a thousand-digit number and counting to that number.
More precisely, complexity theory asks the question: how do the resources needed to solve a problem scale with some measure n of the problem size...

Need it be primarily one or the other? But if I must pick one, I pick philosophy.

Comment author: Bugmaster 29 November 2011 02:29:32AM 0 points [-]

An analogy: http://eccc.hpi-web.de/report/2011/108/

I'm afraid I don't see how this article is analogous. The article points out that computational complexity puts a very real limit on what can be computed in practice. Thus, even if you'd proved that something is computable in principle, it may not be computable in our current Universe, with its limited lifespan. You can apply computational complexity to practical problems (f.ex., devising an optimal route for inspecting naval buoys) as well as to theoretical ones (f.ex., discarding the hypothesis that the human brain is a giant lookup table). But these are still engineering and scientific concerns, not philosophical ones.

Need it be primarily one or the other? But if I must pick one, I pick philosophy.

I still don't understand why. If you want to know the probability of FAI being feasible at all, you're asking a scientific question; in order to answer it, you'll need to formulate a hypothesis or two, gather evidence, employ Bayesian reasoning to compute the probability of your hypothesis being true, etc. If, on the other hand, you are trying to actually build an FAI, then you are solving a specific engineering problem; of course, determining whether FAI is feasible or not would be a great first step.

So, I can see how you'd apply science or engineering to the problem, but I don't see how you'd apply philosophy.

Comment author: lessdazed 29 November 2011 03:02:54AM 0 points [-]

If you want to know the probability of FAI being feasible at all, you're asking a scientific question

To fill in the content the term "FAI" stands for, science isn't enough. Engineering is by guess and check, I suppose, but not really.

Comment author: Bugmaster 29 November 2011 03:52:29AM 0 points [-]

Sorry, I couldn't parse your comment at all; I'm not sure what you mean by "content". My hunch is that you meant the same thing as TimS, above; if so, my reply to him should be relevant. If not, my apologies, but could you please explain what you meant ?

Comment author: lessdazed 29 November 2011 04:09:05AM 0 points [-]

I meant what I think he did, so you got it.